on โ22-10-2020 09:17 PM
on โ24-10-2020 06:23 PM
@lalbo-81 wrote:I don't have to have an opinion of whether I am or not, according to my grandchildren. I was good at my job and received equal respect and equal pay. I also expected a gentleman to open the door and retrieve things I couldn't reach. Fortunately, I worked with gentleman. Also fortu
nately, they made good coffee, unlike me. ๐
Alternatively , can we also expect a lady to clean and cook and dress nicely for gentlemen?
on โ24-10-2020 07:16 PM
on โ25-10-2020 08:03 AM
@the_bob_delusion wrote:
@lalbo-81 wrote:I don't have to have an opinion of whether I am or not, according to my grandchildren. I was good at my job and received equal respect and equal pay. I also expected a gentleman to open the door and retrieve things I couldn't reach. Fortunately, I worked with gentleman. Also fortu
nately, they made good coffee, unlike me. ๐Alternatively , can we also expect a lady to clean and cook and dress nicely for gentlemen?
Clean and cook. Someone has to do it. If the man can't and the lady won't, it's eat out or takeaway. Which has to be cooked by another person, either man or a woman. It comes around full circle.
Dress nicely? We all like to present well, man or woman.
on โ25-10-2020 09:49 AM
I would answer by asking you to define the term, as in, what do you think feminism looks like, exactly? What characteristics would you expect to see in a feminist?
I know a lot of people might think it seems clear cut but to me, some of what I would have thought were the feminist leaders of the 70s have gone along a track in more recent times that I think goes against my idea of the meaning.
By feminist, in the 1970s, I would have thought it was someone who wanted to see a change in society so that women had the same rights as men and who wanted to see a change in attitudes towards the social stereotypes.
For instance, I recall battles for women to become pilots or to enter trades.
Battles for equal pay for equal work.
Discussion about women in the workforce and a change in attitude towards tasks around the home, so that they were not strictly along gender lines.
I don't think people always realise just how much society has changed until they see, as I do (being on an Australian history site on facebook) some of ads that were in papers back in the 1960s/1970s.
The once militant feminists have sometimes surprised me in recent years because they have spoken out in support of Islamic societies. That surprised me because a lot of those regimes are quite repressive of women (by our standards). Women in some cases are not allowed to be educated, they must not leave the home without a male, they must dress in a certain way, in some of the countries they cannot drive etc. Yet some 1970s feminist leaders say, well, that's just how their society works, we need to accept that.
That sure isn't what they were saying back in the 1970s about western society.
Today, I think society has moved on. Feminism is not the agenda as such now, the focus is on changing attitudes to every other group and also what I would call a non-gender focus where people are not supposed to acknowledge gender differences even exist.
on โ25-10-2020 10:39 AM
@the_bob_delusion wrote:
@lalbo-81 wrote:I don't have to have an opinion of whether I am or not, according to my grandchildren. I was good at my job and received equal respect and equal pay. I also expected a gentleman to open the door and retrieve things I couldn't reach. Fortunately, I worked with gentleman. Also fortu
nately, they made good coffee, unlike me. ๐Alternatively , can we also expect a lady to clean and cook and dress nicely for gentlemen?
I don't know, can you? I dressed in a professional manner at work, as was required. I dressed nicely in order to please myself. My husband didn't expect me to do any more than he did in our time together. He was an excellent cook, I'm an excellent mechanic. We shared housekeeping duties. This is what is called a pleasing compromise. And it made for an excellent marrige for 40 years. If my husband had expected a slave, or if I had, I imagine we wouldn't have married at all.
Are you married, bob? Or were you in the past? How do you, or did you, treat your lady friends? What did you expect from them? What did you give them in return, in the sense of a pleasing compromise? You expect personal responses, and so do I. Go.
on โ25-10-2020 10:59 AM
I have never been any mans slave after I left my first husband.
I dress for myself, always cooked and cleaned, husband did the lawns and helped with the gardens.
Some times I would ask him to vacuum as he worked 3 weeks on 3 weeks off, I worked ever day.
I handled all the money and bill paying
I have never considered myself to be any thing but equal to any man
If a man opens a door for me i always thank them with a smile
on โ25-10-2020 11:34 AM
@lionrose.7 wrote:I have never been any mans slave after I left my first husband.
I dress for myself, always cooked and cleaned, husband did the lawns and helped with the gardens.
Some times I would ask him to vacuum as he worked 3 weeks on 3 weeks off, I worked ever day.
I handled all the money and bill paying
I have never considered myself to be any thing but equal to any man
If a man opens a door for me i always thank them with a smile
Oh Lord, money, lol! Like you, I did that, and he was grateful, since math wasn't a strong point for him. He mowed the lawn and took care of the gardens until our children were old enough to do so, at which point they did it to earn money. They're grateful, as am I, that he taught them so much, and have passed it on through the generations. I am always amazed at what my family can do with a small plot of land to feed us all and help others too. And it smells so good!