Are you automatically a Hero if you fought in a War?

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Are you automatically a Hero if you fought in a War?


@the_bob_delusion wrote:

@icyfroth wrote:

@bluecat*dancing wrote:

No

 


No. It's not about heroes. Although there are many who did heroic things, probably surprising themselves.

 

It's about being prepared to put your life on the line for the things you believe in.


So those that flew planes into buildings, gave their life for what they believe in are Heros?


To their own, probaby. To those who we irrevocably damaged by their actions, probably not.

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

@icyfroth wrote:

@bluecat*dancing wrote:

No

 


No. It's not about heroes. Although there are many who did heroic things, probably surprising themselves.

 

It's about being prepared to put your life on the line for the things you believe in.


So those that flew planes into buildings, gave their life for what they believe in are Heros?


To their own, probably. To those irrevocably damaged by their actions, probably not.

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@icyfroth wrote:

@the_bob_delusion wrote:

@icyfroth wrote:

@bluecat*dancing wrote:

No

 


No. It's not about heroes. Although there are many who did heroic things, probably surprising themselves.

 

It's about being prepared to put your life on the line for the things you believe in.


So those that flew planes into buildings, gave their life for what they believe in are Heros?


To their own, probaby. To those who we irrevocably damaged by their actions, probably not.


Good Answer.

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

@icyfroth wrote:

@the_bob_delusion wrote:

@icyfroth wrote:

@bluecat*dancing wrote:

No

 


No. It's not about heroes. Although there are many who did heroic things, probably surprising themselves.

 

It's about being prepared to put your life on the line for the things you believe in.


So those that flew planes into buildings, gave their life for what they believe in are Heros?


To their own, probaby. To those who we irrevocably damaged by their actions, probably not.


Good Answer.


I'm so thrilled you're actually participating in this disussion, Bob!

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@icyfroth wrote:

It's about being prepared to put your life on the line for the things you believe in.


That is a dangerous statement; I imagine you then must consider heroes the people who go to join ISIS.

 

I always wonder what the soldiers in WW1 believed in. Did they believe that invading Turkey is protecting Australia?  Does anybody here actually know what the whole war was about? 

 

There was a fascinating program on the SBS last year; it was over several weeks and documented personal stories of people from number of countries who fought on different fronts. 

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There were many who thought they were "hero material" when signing up who found quite quickly that they were not.

 

And there were those who having experienced War, chose never to be reminded of it - outside their own minds.

 

DEB

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@lloydslights wrote:

There were many who thought they were "hero material" when signing up who found quite quickly that they were not.

 

And there were those who having experienced War, chose never to be reminded of it - outside their own minds.

 

DEB


Actually, I think the young men who signed up for that war had no idea what they were getting themselves into.

 

They thought they were going off for an incredible adventure with their mates and a free trip around the world at the goverment's expense.

 

The fact that they stepped up to the plate once they realised, and took on the responsibility for their being there, and laid their beautiful young selves down to die, makes them heroes.

And that is what makes the ANZAC commemoration in the psyche of  Aussies and Kiwis so special IMO.

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Icy thank you for mentioning Kiwi's 🙂

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Are you automatically a Hero if you fought in a War?

  Does anybody here actually know what the whole war was about? 

 

 

Woman Surprised    i hope so!   Woman Surprised

 

 

here is a nice, concise summary for you  Smiley Happy

 

 

 

In late June 1914, Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria was assassinated by a Serbian nationalist in Sarajevo, Bosnia. An escalation of threats and mobilization orders followed the incident, leading by mid-August to the outbreak of World War I, which pitted Germany, Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire (the so-called Central Powers) against Great Britain, France, Russia, Italy and Japan (the Allied Powers). The Allies were joined after 1917 by the United States. The four years of the Great War–as it was then known–saw unprecedented levels of carnage and destruction, thanks to grueling trench warfare and the introduction of modern weaponry such as machine guns, tanks and chemical weapons. By the time World War I ended in the defeat of the Central Powers in November 1918, more than 9 million soldiers had been killed and 21 million more wounded.

 

 

 

Though tensions had been brewing in Europe–and especially in the troubled Balkan region–for years before conflict actually broke out, the spark that ignited World War I was struck in Sarajevo, Bosnia, where Archduke Franz Ferdinand, nephew of Emperor Franz Josef and heir to the Austro-Hungarian Empire, was shot to death along with his wife by the Serbian nationalist Gavrilo Princip on June 28, 1914. The assassination of Franz Ferdinand and Sophie set off a rapid chain of events: Austria-Hungary, like many in countries around the world, blamed the Serbian government for the attack and hoped to use the incident as justification for settling the question of Slavic nationalism once and for all. As Russia supported Serbia, Austria-Hungary waited to declare war until its leaders received assurances from German leader Kaiser Wilhelm II  that Germany would support their cause in the event of a Russian intervention, which would likely involve Russia’s ally, France, and possibly Great Britain as well.

 

On July 5, Kaiser Wilhelm secretly pledged his support, giving Austria-Hungary a so-called carte blanche or “blank check” assurance of Germany’s backing in the case of war. The Dual Monarchy then sent an ultimatum to Serbia, with such harsh terms as to make it almost impossible to accept. Convinced that Vienna was readying for war, the Serbian government ordered the Serbian army to mobilize, and appealed to Russia for assistance. On July 28, Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, and the tenuous peace between Europe’s great powers collapsed. Within a week, Russia, Belgium, France, Great Britain and Serbia had lined up against Austria-Hungary and Germany, and World War I had begun.

 

 

 

According to an aggressive military strategy known as the Schlieffen Plan (named for its mastermind, German Field Marshal Alfred von Schlieffen), Germany began fighting World War I on two fronts, invading France through neutral Belgium in the west and confronting mighty Russia in the east. On August 4, 1914, German troops under Erich Ludendorff  crossed the border into Belgium, in violation of that country’s neutrality. In the first battle of World War I, the Germans assaulted the heavily fortified city of Liege, using the most powerful weapons in their **bleep**nal–enormous siege cannons–to capture the city by August 15. Leaving death and destruction in their wake, including the shooting of civilians and the deliberate execution of Belgian priest, whom they accused of inciting civilian resistance, the Germans advanced through Belgium towards France.

 

In the First Battle of the Marne, fought from September 6-9, 1914, French and British forces confronted the invading Germany army, which had by then penetrated deep into northeastern France, within 30 miles of Paris. Under the French commander Joseph Joffre, the Allied troops checked the German advance and mounted a successful counterattack, driving the Germans back to north of the Aisne River. The defeat meant the end of German plans for a quick victory in France. Both sides dug into trenches, and began the bloody war of attrition that would characterize the next three years on World War I’s Western Front. Particularly long and costly battles in this campaign were fought at Verdun (February-December 1916) and the Somme (July-November 1916); German and French troops suffered close to a million casualties in the Battle of Verdune alone.

 

On the Eastern Front of World War I, Russian forces invaded East Prussia and German Poland, but were stopped short by German and Austrian forces at the Battle of Tannenberg  in late August 1914. Despite that victory, the Red Army assault had forced Germany to move two corps from the Western Front to the Eastern, contributing to the German loss in the Battle of the Marne. Combined with the fierce Allied resistance in France, the ability of Russia’s huge war machine to mobilize relatively quickly in the east ensured a longer, more grueling conflict instead of the quick victory Germany had hoped to win with the Schlieffen Plan.

Over the next two years, the Russian army mounted several offensives on the Eastern Front but were unable to break through German lines. Defeat on the battlefield fed the growing discontent among the bulk of Russia’s population, especially the poverty-stricken workers and peasants, and its hostility towards the imperial regime. This discontent culminated in the Russian Revolustion  of 1917, spearheaded by Vladimir Lenin and the Bolsheviks. One of Lenin’s first actions as leader was to call a halt to Russian participation in World War I. Russia reached an armistice with the Central Powers in early December 1917, freeing German troops to face the other Allies on the Western Front.

 

 

With World War I having effectively settled into a stalemate in Europe, the Allies attempted to score a victory against the Ottoman Empire, which had entered the conflict on the side of the Central Powers in late 1914. After a failed attack on the Dardanelles (the strait linking the Sea of Marmara with the Aegean Sea), Allied forces led by Britain launched a large-scale land invasion of the Gallipoli Peninsula in April 1915. The invasion also proved a dismal failure, and in January 1916 Allied forces were forced to stage a full retreat from the shores of the peninsula, after suffering 250,000 casualties.

British-led forces also combated the Turks in Egypt and Mesopotamia, while in northern Italy Austrian and Italian troops faced off in a series of 12 battles along the Isonzo River, located at the border between the two nations. The First Battle of the Isonzo took place in the late spring of 1915, soon after Italy’s entrance into the war on the Allied side; in the Twelfth Battle of the Isonzo, or the Battle of Caporetto (October 1917), German reinforcements helped Austria-Hungary win a decisive victory. After Caporetto, Italy’s allies jumped in to offer increased assistance. British and French–and later American–troops arrived in the region, and the Allies began to take back the initiative on the Italian Front.

 

After the Battle of Dogger Bank in January 1915, the German navy chose not to confront Britain’s mighty Royal Navy in a major battle for more than a year, preferring to rest the bulk of its strategy at sea on its lethal U-boat submarines. The biggest naval engagement of World War I, the Battle of Juland (May 1916) left British naval superiority on the North Sea intact, and Germany would make no further attempts to break the Allied naval blockade for the remainder of the war.

It was Germany’s policy of unchecked submarine aggression against shipping interests headed to Great Britain that helped bring the United States into World War I in 1917. Widespread protest over the sinking by U-boat of the British ocean linerLusitania in May 1915 helped turn the tide of American public opinion steadfastly against Germany, and in February 1917 Congress passed a $250 million arms appropriations bill intended to make the United States ready for war. Germany sunk four more U.S. merchant ships the following month and on April 2 President Woodrow Wilson appeared before Congress and called for a declaration of war against Germany.

 

With Germany able to build up its strength on the Western Front after the armistice with Russia, Allied troops struggled to hold off another German offensive until promised reinforcements from the United States were able to arrive. On July 15, 1918, German troops under Erich von Ludendorff launched what would become the last German offensive of the war, attacking French forces (joined by 85,000 American troops as well as some of the British Expeditionary Force) in the Second Battle of the Marne. Thanks in part to the strategic leadership of the French commander-in-chief, Philippe Petain, the Allies put back the German offensive, and launched their own counteroffensive just three days later. After suffering massive casualties, Ludendorff was forced to call off a planned German offensive further north, in the Flanders region stretching between France and Belgium, which he had envisioned as Germany’s best hope of victory.

The Second Battle of the Marne turned the tide of war decisively towards the Allies, who were able to regain much of France and Belgium in the months that followed. By the fall of 1918, the Central Powers were unraveling on all fronts. Despite the Turkish victory at Gallipoli, later defeats by invading forces and an Arab revolt had combined to destroy the Ottoman economy and devastate its land, and the Turks signed a treaty with the Allies in late October 1918. Austria-Hungary, dissolving from within due to growing nationalist movements among its diverse population, reached an armistice on November 4. Facing dwindling resources on the battlefield, discontent on the home front and the surrender of its allies, Germany was finally forced to seek an armistice on November 11, 1918, ending World War I.

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Are you automatically a Hero if you fought in a War?
@the_bob_delusion wrote:

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No- there are many reasons why a person may join the armed forces..

 

But that doesnt make you a coward if you dont.

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