At what point do you think People

[softail-joanie]

Can be trusted to govern their own lives. This is a topic about humanity. I want to explore the idea that we as a human race, are ready to shed government and athority. Or if not now, then when? At what point can we be evolved enough as humanity to no longer need this system that has a strangle hold on it's subjects and is pulling them down,   Heres a modern day MLK

Is government ethical?- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ObiA046Bew  This is good stuff

Ventura vs Kokesh on government- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wu5TrctGWo

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Against the law to wash your car- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYLWQ45BsN0

This is not official yet, but my sources say the camera guy's friend has turned state's evidence against him, and he spilled the beans. It was a classic move, he was facing life in prison possibly for being an accomplice. They pulled the CCTV files from a WalMart in the area, and it clearly shows the friend buying Turtle Wax, Armor All, and Wesley's Blechewhite for the white walls. They had him dead to rights, he had no choice. It is nice to see the police dismantling these car wash gangs from the inside. To correct one guy who earlier said "OSS is operation safe streets" No, it isn't, not here anyway. OSS in NY is Operation Soap Suds.

Garage sale raid- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN5OFOvKLyM

Second thoughts- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8plTHHavVs

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[dwilke33]

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@goldenjet16 wrote:
"aahhh you see softail is from the US. they don't have a cilvilisation but live in a barbaric state "where everyone carries a club gun" to assert their superiority...."

Very foolish statement!

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I wouldn't have expected any different from them.  Sad, but true.

[presprintandpub]

Most of us leave our guns at home. Most of the time.

[softail-joanie]

Out of all the police bashing BS you have posted the last few weeks this post takes the cake. Do you honestly believe that every rape, murder etc has been committed by either a police officer or a government official? If you do I think you need serious help. 

I didn't say that. If you go back and read my post, you'll find I said in my experance, there have been some bad things done by those who weren't cops, but they wer few and mild in comparison. Police are the only ones I see doing the worst things and it's to the point for me anyway where I'd fare better without them, or government. Maybe for others, police are nice and they benifit from them, but I can only really speak for myself.

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What you are advocating is anarchy and while it might be a lovely ideal, in practice it doesn't work any better than Communism. In order for society to flourish without rules - and the enforcement of those rules - society as a whole would have to agree on what taxes to pay, what schools hospitals, roads, etc to build and the 'haves' would have to agree to share some of their wealth with the 'have nots. Human nature being what it is, I can't see that happening any time soon. So do you believe anarchy works in practice as well as in theory?

Interesting you bring that up, yeah, survival of the fittest, the smartest, strongest, most resorcfull, through wit, a better breed of humans (humanity) emerges... The very definition of evolution. Of corse at this point in our evolution I should we would be smart and resorcful enough to put some things in place so we could be even stronger as a community.

Now I know what your gonna say, that's government,, the difrence is this would be voluntary, government is force. This voluntary system would be similar to government in many facets, only voluntary.

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what would you do if someone decided in this newly created anarchy state of yours that they didn't like you and your family and decided to kill you all and take your food and posessions and possibly live in your house ? What would you do ? Remember, their is no police or anyone to come and help you.

Deal with it in one's own way, or parish. There goes the over population problem. Free markets with security services, community watch (voluntary) if you wanted to be a part of it you would contribute with money or your services. The upside is you don't have police making the choice for you. If or not you want to believe this, cops don't always side with the victims of crimes, and judges back cops and can syay a jury if one is even granted it. Yes, there would no doubt be less people,but it would not wipe out the human race. People are going to die at some point anyway, everyone does. This is the way of nature and deluding ourselves that we can go on endlessly, is not natural.

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i can see your point you living in the USA. it's the stuff of nightmares but be assured that it is not like that in the rest of the world. there are a few countries where there is civilisation. try france, canada, germany or denmark. if you can stand the cold weather denmark or sweden would be perfect for you. or poland. the US is extreme in many aspects, do not think this is normal. it's sick and there are many countries that are very different.

Stuff of nighmares, maybe for me, but my case is rare. Most here have it made, I don't want to get into detail, but in my case theres alot going against me. Abusive family situation, being on every policing agancy's "you know what" list, a poor economy, these days in America things are backwards the weak thrive and the strong don't do so well. Maybe thats why what Adam Kokesh endorses really speaks to me. I might be one of those who do well in such a way of life, and if not, I would parish, eather way my problemis solved. What I'm living now is worse than death and I have another good 55 years of this to look forward to in my present condision.

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I dunno. I like hospitals when i need one. I like roads and i like rules about roads so they are safe to use. I like that my kids go to school and learn stuff. I like having my bins collected. Who would do all that without government? The whole topic is a fallacy. 'Evolved enough to shed govt'. Why is it assumed that being more evolved means no govt? I always thought stable society was a marker of positive evolution of human civilization. It is fairly new after all. I assume that while large populations live together in a society there will always be a need for rules and organization. I guess when we blow ourselves up and the survivors go back to living in tribes then we won't need government.

I like them too, others do as well,thats why I don't think we would lose them, in fact I think they would be greatly improved. Imagine how proud as a human race we could be doing all of this voluntarally and not be force. Having control over our own creation, not being controled by it.

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I hope I addressed everyones replies. Sorry if I missed anyone. This is not something I expect to see in my lifetime, It's only an idea i thought would make for worthy conversation. My attempt to contribute something to this community, this discussion board. It's only an attempt to post aboout something diffrent for a change and not my intention to upset anyone, I value all of your input, even those that strongly disagree with me. Maybe it is a bad idea, maybe it couldn't work, but I believe it's worthwhile to discuss, at least consider. This is how creativity comes about. How we evolve

[village_person]

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@softail-joanie wrote:

Can be trusted to govern their own lives. This is a topic about humanity. I want to explore the idea that we as a human race, are ready to shed government and athority. 

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The notion that humanity is ready to self-govern didn't work out too well between the Tutsis and the Hutus. And certain countries in the northern hemisphere can't seem to get along either. 

It's a pipe dream.

[polksaladallie]

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@aps1080 wrote:

joanie

We do need some sort of Government, otherwise you would have anarchy - in other words, a mess.

Find for people like me who can readily feed and defend themselves but not nice for the average suburbanite.

It' just in Aus, we have far too much Gov't or too many layers - local, state, federal and too many do gooders

within them who try to tell you to the enth degree how to live. They are over protective.

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Lets have lots more do-badders to tell us how to live.

[softail-joanie]

aahhh you see softail is from the US. they don't have a cilvilisation but live in a barbaric state where everyone carries a club gun to assert their superiority. imagine it like europe 30 000 years ago when the one with the biggest gun club rules.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tuhjewGdSo

[aps1080]

Lets have lots more do-badders to tell us how to live.

Polks

No thanks, we have enough in Victoria as it is. They are a PITA.

And, you seem to forget one thing, one the rules become ridiculous and over bearing or they just think are not warranted,

people tend to just ignore them which is the complete opposite effect of what they are trying to achieve.

[aps1080]

Jonaie

it's not the biggest gun that wins, it's the smartest, most accurate use of and prepared to use it than generally wins.

Some might have a (big) gun but don't know how to or aren't able to use it.

[goldenjet16]

"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tuhjewGdSo"

She is a Moron. This is so tiresome. Look.... I don't know of anyone in all my years of life [ I'm old ] who just goes about their normal American ways that has had cops or military bust down their doors unless there is a reason. Another useless b.s. Youtube video.

[softail-joanie]

Jonaie - it's not the biggest gun that wins, it's the smartest, most accurate use of and prepared to use it than generally wins. Some might have a (big) gun but don't know how to or aren't able to use it.

Your right, the right gun for any given person may vary depending on the carry, time of year, dress or clothing. Many around here carry concealed with a permit. Thats fine for them. My only problem with doing that myself is the permit requirement. Turning a right into a privdlage, I feel strong about that right, If I went and got a permit assuming I could, I would be endorsing the idea of a natural right being a privladge. The reason I say if I could, is that our rights are just that, they can't be taken, but can be violated. A judge has in fact violated that right in my case. Even though I'm the most responsable person around guns you'll find in America, I think they want only those likely to misuse firearms having them. It promotes more gun control.

Therefore, if I did carry, It would be open carry. Something I believe far more gun carriers should do as reverse condisioning for the public. Get them used to seeing it so they no longer flip out at the sight of it.

Now on the subject of guns. I personally like revolvers. You don't have to think too much about how to use them. The basic simplicity i find appealing. In fact before they were taken away by sheriffs, my carry gun of choice was, really still would be if I ever can get the law to agnolige my right again. The S&W model 36 cheif's speical. A very small 5 shot revolver, posibally even one of the best for conceal carry. Shoots a 38 calibur wit I have much experance with and am comfortable. I can hit better with a 38, than a 357 for some reason, seems more managable for me anyway. I had 2 of the model 36s and that gave me the option to dual carry in drop or crossdraw holsters, This put them very close to where my hands would be resting at my side. Making for quick access to them, I figure if I have two hands, why not two guns? Also, being 5 shot capacity, it would meet the 10 round maximum law.

Only downside with dual carry, if you can call it that, is one would have to practice alot more to train themselves to be accurate shooting with both hands, right and left, I still need work in that area. But if one can get good, imagine having the pair open in a drop holster (or crossdraw) where you know you can get them out FAST, if need be instead of digging around in clothing or purse looking for it.

Lastly, the safest place to have your gun is on you, at all times. I say that in response to the above reply about most leaving it at home. While your out grocery shopping, your house is broken into by and unarmed theif who is now armed. Cars are the worst place, they get broke into often. Many places that are not comfortable with carry in their bussiness, and even cops, will advise carryers to lock it up in their cars. This is very bad advise, and the ones giving it should be liable for what could happends as a rsult of a gun stolen from a car.

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