on 17-11-2013 05:36 PM
Sydney (AFP) - Australia on Sunday said it would give Sri Lanka two patrol boats to tackle people-smuggling operations in the Indian Ocean, hoping they can detect vessels before they leave the Asian nation's waters.
The decision comes with the Tony Abbott-led government ramping up efforts to deter asylum-seekers arriving on unauthorised boats, a sensitive political issue that was a dominant factor in September elections.
While many boats make the precarious journey from Indonesia, 120 left from Sri Lanka last year for what can be a three-week voyage, according to official figures, although only 14 have been detected so far in 2013.
"Australia is providing training with the patrol boats, which will operate alongside the Sri Lankan Navy's existing capability to intercept people-smuggling efforts originating in Sri Lankan waters," Abbott's office said in a statement.
"Our cooperation with Sri Lanka in the region is important as it is effective.
"Sri Lanka provides strong support against people-smuggling operations and Australian agencies work closely with their Sri Lankan counterparts."
Sri Lankan police have arrested dozens of people for organising illegal boat trips to Australia, including several naval personnel in an embarrassment for Colombo which had maintained there was no senior level official collusion with the smugglers.
According to reports the patrol boats are 38-metre (125-foot) vessels which have a complement of 12 sailors. They have been a mainstay of Australian maritime surveillance since the late 1990s, but are now being phased out.
Abbott is currently in Sri Lanka for the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting and finalised the deal with President Mahinda Rajapakse as part of diplomatic talks.
Under Australia's hardline asylum-seeker policies, all boat arrivals are transferred to poverty-stricken Papua New Guinea or Nauru in the Pacific for processing. Even if their asylum claims succeed, they will not be settled in Australia.
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Under Australia's hardline asylum-seeker policies, all boat arrivals are transferred to poverty-stricken Papua New Guinea or Nauru in the Pacific for processing. Even if their asylum claims succeed, they will not be settled in Australia.
Really? I thought that had fallen by the wayside after the elections!
on 18-11-2013 12:23 AM
@my*mum wrote:plus from what i read here, indonesia isn't really doing too much to help - but from the article in this thread it looks like sri lanka is trying? maybe the 2 boats will make a big difference. maybe they won't, time will tell, but better to fail ith just 2 boats then 10 or however many it would take to make a difference to the indonesian flow
The other thing to note about our relationship with Sri Lanka is that we have a (very awkward) 'deal' with them - we don't criticise their disgusting human rights abuses and they will take back any Tamil boat people who have 'volunteered' to return to Sri Lanka.
Giving them a couple of extra boats (instead of 2 our most needy of neighbours - the Indonesians) is smelling a bit iffy to me.
on 18-11-2013 12:41 AM
I don't know, I didn't even know about the sri lankans till this thread - all I knew is they had a cricket team.
I have no answers, it's all above my head
But what the Australian Public has to realize is that they can't have it both ways.
They apparently want the boats stopped, but then criticize how it's happening.
I doubt that any PM would target sri lanka cos it meant sending persecuted people back (is nt that what all asylum seekers are? whether they come from indonesia, malaysia, burma?? aren't they all persecuted persons fleeing atrocities from their homelands?)
if we stop the boats or intercept and retur the boats we are effectively returning people to their persecuted states, irrespective of race or nationality.
From what I can make out, the Indonesians aren't really committed to helping us to stop the boats (at least at this stage) and from another thread, their Navy works office hours and they wouldn't go and pick up some other people whose boat was in trouble a few weeks ago and then australia got there too late even though it was in their waters (I read it here on cs)
so really, what's the point in giving the boats to indonesia if they're not fully on board in helping us with what is essentially our problem. and even if they were agreeable, would 2 boats do anything significant?
from what I understand, sri lanka poses a smaller problem (less people leaving) and the article suggests they are prepared to try and help - so maybe that 2 boats is enough to make a difference
as I said before, if they trial 2 boats and it seems to work, then they can increase it, and maybe stop one source - and then maybe if indonesia comes on board we will know how to make it effective and wont be wasting heaps of money on 10 boats if that's what is really needed, kwim?
I do think a small trial is a smarter move.
I don't think the choice was one of favouring one group over another, I reckon either a smaller problem to get control of or a more compliant alli
but - the australian people want the boats stopped. all asylum seekers are persecuted people, the degree of which is relative to each, so whomever we turn back or stop, they're all going to get sent back to their persecuters - all of the persecuters have disgusting human rights abuses, as I said the relativity is subjective to each. when people want to get on leaky boats, then my guess is it is all bad.
If we want to stop the boats (and I am not sure that I do) we have to accept all that entails,and that does include sending persecuted people back to their persecutors. and I believe it to be a bit audacious for people to criticize how that happens unless they want to step up and have a go themselves.
on 18-11-2013 12:46 AM
@i-need-a-martini wrote:
@my*mum wrote:plus from what i read here, indonesia isn't really doing too much to help - but from the article in this thread it looks like sri lanka is trying? maybe the 2 boats will make a big difference. maybe they won't, time will tell, but better to fail ith just 2 boats then 10 or however many it would take to make a difference to the indonesian flow
The other thing to note about our relationship with Sri Lanka is that we have a (very awkward) 'deal' with them - we don't criticise their disgusting human rights abuses and they will take back any Tamil boat people who have 'volunteered' to return to Sri Lanka.
Giving them a couple of extra boats (instead of 2 our most needy of neighbours - the Indonesians) is smelling a bit iffy to me.
I meant to add - "awkward deal" is better than no deal, which is what I believe we have with Indo
and when you're trying to "win friends" and get them on side so they will help you to stop the boats cos your country's population has said that's what they want, then it's probably best not to criticize them too much, at least not before they are on side and maybe even dependent on us so they don't flip us the bird and go nope - we're not gonna help you with your goals.
if we want to stop the boats, why does it matter which boats we stop?
do you think that the sri lankan boat people are somehow better than those from Inod etc and should be saved from their persecutors over others?
every asylum seeker is fleeing atrocious persecution, regardless of their race or country.
on 18-11-2013 01:18 AM
every asylum seeker is fleeing atrocious persecution, regardless of their race or country.
Not quite true otherwise why do some of them volunteer to return to their home country rather than be re-settled in PNG or wait in detention camps until their claim is processed?
18-11-2013 03:14 AM - edited 18-11-2013 03:17 AM
Under labors watch
120 boats 2012
14 boats 2013
Tony Abbott must have missed these figures when he said boat arrivals were out of control in the 2013 election campaign???
But he did not miss including and advertisement for Soveriegn borders using those figures
Yep Sri Lanka needs a couple more boats.???
“Sri Lanka provides strong support against people-smuggling operations and Australian agencies work closely with their Sri Lankan counterparts.
Only 14 boats have travelled directly from Sri Lanka to Australia in 2013 compared to 120 boats in 2012," the
Prime Minister said.
“Australia appreciates its strong cooperative relationship with Sri Lanka in countering people smuggling.”
The Sri Lankan government had also effectively spread the message in Sri Lankan communities known to be people-smuggling “hot-spots” that taking an asylum boat to Australia would never lead to resettlement there.
“The central message of Operation Sovereign Borders is that illegal maritime arrivals will not be settled in Australia. There is no point in attempting to reach Australia by boat,” Mr Abbott said.
As of January this year, 47 per cent of all detainees in Australian asylum seeker detention centres were Sri Lankan nationals.
Indonesia definitely do not need any old patrol boats..........just ask Scott
Mr Morrison says Indonesia lacks the resources to rescue boats in trouble in its southern waters.
"They don't have a capability on their southern coast largely to effect search and rescues, this is the frustrating element of this,"
Frustrated???? you're frustrated????
Now that is LNP logic for you... cannot be much of their feet left???
18-11-2013 08:30 AM - edited 18-11-2013 08:31 AM
The Sri Lankan civil war is officially over, yet there are reports that Tamil civilians continue to be victims of **bleep**, torture, murder and displacement from their traditional land. TDTP
Just because Labor also sent some Tamils back, is not an excuse to continue denying the facts that Tamils are not safe in Shri Lanka.
ww.channel4.com/news/sri-lanka-disappeared-white-vans-missing-people-war-chogm
on 18-11-2013 08:33 AM
on 18-11-2013 06:56 PM
@spotweldersfriend wrote:
Maybe they gave those boats to Sri Lanka is because it's our 4th best friend in Asia and Indonesia's our 5th.
Friends don't monitor other freinds mobile phones
19-11-2013 01:29 AM - edited 19-11-2013 01:33 AM
Friends don't monitor other freinds mobile phones
Countries are not friends with other countries. They may say they are and they may sign treaties to hide the lie but every single country acts in a way which promotes and furthers it's own national interest first and above all other considerations.
One might say that they are "fair weather friends" at best.
Remember back to when our "friend" the USA cut our other "friend", New Zealand out of the ANZUS treaty because the then NZ govt wouldn't allow a US warship to dock unless they could guarantee they weren't carrying nuclear weapons? (US policy is/was never to either confirm or deny the nuke-carrying status of their warships).
I think the US has only recently thawed their position towards NZ. There's no friendship between countries, just expedience.