on 01-03-2020 10:27 PM
Australian dies from coronavirus COVID-19 in Perth after infection on Diamond Princess ship
on 03-03-2020 09:34 AM
@davidc4430 wrote:maybe they should hire chinese people, then they wont be risking 'clean' people?
i'm kidding of course.
I know you're kidding but it does beg the question-why Australian cleaners?
The ship is docked in Japanese waters.
It is a British registered ship.
We're talking specialised cleaning (or we should be) of a contaminated site.
So.. why school cleaners in Australia?
I'm guessing it is because they make up a big base of the cleaning company's workers, so it was easy & convenient to contact them en masse.
Personally, I would have thought a troup of Japanese cleaners would have been the most logical thing.
03-03-2020 09:50 AM - edited 03-03-2020 09:51 AM
@davidc4430 wrote:New laws proposed to make it easier to detain or quarantine people exposed to coronavirus in SA
lets hope we dont see people getting grabbed because they sneeze.
i'm no expert but i think by the time you show symptoms you have allready possible spread the virus to others.
so i'm not sure how effective quarantining people will be.
I bet it does come to almost exactly that.
I know that any time I have been on a cruise, for example, I have had to fill in a form to tick I am well, not currently suffering any infection.
That's in normal times. I would imagine crew and passengers on cruises, planes etc are hyper alert and there are a lot of things people can come down with besides the corona virus.
I'd hate to have a slight cold and try to be hopping on a cruise etc
on 04-03-2020 09:43 AM
If vulnerable communities are more susceptible to the spread of coronavirus, what does that mean for Australia?
04-03-2020 10:05 AM - edited 04-03-2020 10:06 AM
@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
One has died in the U.S too. Mike Pence obviously didn't pray hard enough.
and like the US will have only blocked travellers from China and Iran , somewhow considering that those of Korea, Italy and Japan are of no infection threat.
Look for policy changes that are a little to in harmony with other countries - as this may be detrimental to Australia as our culture , national mentality , applied attitudes and circumstances such as social supports resulting in better health , may have advantage which may become negated .
on 04-03-2020 11:14 AM
@davidc4430 wrote:If vulnerable communities are more susceptible to the spread of coronavirus, what does that mean for Australia?
Seems a certain critical mass social environment is a large factor in how servere the inefction is - the virus is of the same family as the common cold - so the hint is to consider experience regarding catching or avoiding common cold infections
Once is rampant : Observed factors
dreary winter time , reduced sunshine , overcrowded venues , other infections like cold , shared heating systems , reduced physical activity , shared meals with visitors .
on 04-03-2020 11:25 AM
@springyzone wrote:I see the passenger was from the Diamond Princess and elderly, so he would have been one of the high risk patients, unfortunately.
I am very suspicious of the sheer number of passengers on that ship who came down with it, even though they were placed in quarantine within the ship. I suspect the air conditioning might have helped spread the virus. You can't turn it off or control it, not in the inside cabins anyway.
I was reading that Australian school cleaners were recently sent emails inviting them to a top job, short term (6 days I think) good pay, free travel, protective clothing supplied.
It was to be flown in to clean the Diamond Princess.
Now, that's a worry. I worked in schools for years, got to know the cleaners well. You do, you chat to them all the time as they go about their work before & after school. I know that the companies that employ them allow very little time to do the job, as in, they only get paid for a set amount of hours at the school, it is not top pay and the calculated hours tend to be on the optimistic side.
One of the cleaners told me that after you factored in emptying all bins to the dumper, cleaning toilet blocks, staffroom etc, each classroom needed to be cleaned within about 3-4 minutes.
You know how big a classroom is. That's not a lot of time to vacuum, mop, clean windows, get down cobwebs, clean sinks etc
What are the odds that the company would also be pushing the workers on the Diamond Princess to the max?
Time is money.
Then of course, the cleaners given the job would be coming back to clean schools, mixing it with the kids, staff, parents. Another top idea by someone.
PS Just as a matter of interest, who would be willing to pop onto the Diamond Princess any time soon for a cruise? Not I, not for a few months.
Better if they bring the ship here to Sydney harbour and we can use it as a hospital ship for covid-19 cases in the event that it becomes rampant
on 04-03-2020 12:45 PM
i heard a discussion on using ships as floating hospitals and the 'experts' said it was a bad idea as ships are not designed to contain a virus so instead of curing people it would more likely just keep reinfecting those on board, including doctors and nurses.
but then as this virus is an airborn thing i doubt the current quarantine regimes will do anything to stop it, might slow it a bit.
people are being found carrying it from all over the place.not just china.
fingers crossed they can find a vaxine or something soon.
on 04-03-2020 01:17 PM
@davidc4430 wrote:i heard a discussion on using ships as floating hospitals and the 'experts' said it was a bad idea as ships are not designed to contain a virus so instead of curing people it would more likely just keep reinfecting those on board, including doctors and nurses.
but then as this virus is an airborn thing i doubt the current quarantine regimes will do anything to stop it, might slow it a bit.
people are being found carrying it from all over the place.not just china.
fingers crossed they can find a vaxine or something soon.
well there would be modifications like medical UVC lighting within ventilation ducts , replacing carpet with lino etc - cheaper than a new hospital although probably better still are 20 foot shipping containers cut in half and lined up on 90 mile beach might be a healthier lower cost alternative , fresh salty sea air , sunshine , inspiring view, afternoon breeze to air trhe ward , easy to keep sanitary , support staff housed over the dunes
on 04-03-2020 11:30 PM
@davidc4430 wrote:i heard a discussion on using ships as floating hospitals and the 'experts' said it was a bad idea as ships are not designed to contain a virus so instead of curing people it would more likely just keep reinfecting those on board, including doctors and nurses.
but then as this virus is an airborn thing i doubt the current quarantine regimes will do anything to stop it, might slow it a bit.
people are being found carrying it from all over the place.not just china.
fingers crossed they can find a vaxine or something soon.
Now someone has contracted the disease without having visited China
on 04-03-2020 11:36 PM
@davidc4430 wrote:If vulnerable communities are more susceptible to the spread of coronavirus, what does that mean for Australia?
Wake up and take precautions similar to avoiding the common cold