Baring your breasts at the beach - a generational thing?

Following on from the breastfeeding thread, I thought this was an interesting viewpoint.


 


At 46, I think I am possibly of the last generation that threw their bikini tops off as soon as they got to the beach. I still do it now on a quiet beach much to the horror of my 35 year old sister who comes from a more conservative generation. 


 


Growing up on a Sydney beach it was normal to see bare boobs in the 70's, 80's and very early 90's. But then suddenly we had a big attitude shift - women couldn't go topless and men couldn't wear speedos without attracting sniggers. 


 


But the question is: if we are becoming more self conscious and conservative about our breasts, then isn't it to be expected that we will have more issues with complaints when women breastfeed in public?


 


THERE was a time when skin was tanned and love was free and bare breasts dotted the sand as far as the eye could see.


 


Jo Slinkard's were among them. ''You would go to beaches and everybody would be topless so you went topless, it was the fashion,'' she says. ''I'm a '70s girl, we didn't care about showing off.''


Slinkard, now 60 and a nurse manager, still enjoys getting her kit off. Her daughter Jacqueline Stone, 25, would never dream of shedding her teeny blue bikini on Dee Why beach, where barely a bared boob can be seen.


 


Stone says she has too much ''self-worth'' to expose her nipples. Slinkard reckons she's just shy. ''It's just one of those things that are taboo,'' says human resources student Ceci Vazquez, 20, watching the waves in a black bikini top and bright pink bottoms.


 


It's a similar sign of the times down Sydney's coastline. On Bondi's south end, where monokinis were once the rage, nary a nipple is on show. Tamarama boasts a bounty of man boobs but few of the female persuasion.


 


Tanning on the sand is Cara Petrovski, 19, who will wear nothing less than her strapless brown and blue bikini. ''I like that bit of mystery, it's like saving yourself,'' she says. ''If I was in a private place, chilling by a pool, that would be fine. For me it is a respect thing: respecting your body and respecting everyone else around you.''


 


Clotilde Lienhart, 23 and a Hillsong volunteer, is all but topless in her barely there bikini. But modesty stops her short. ''It's something about the nipple. I would feel vulnerable. People are watching and I don't want to be seen like that,'' she says. ''It's a private area, I guess.''


It's as if covered nipples are a new show of chastity, says Associate Professor Gail Hawkes, a sexuality expert at the University of New England. ''Maybe this is a form of protecting your virginity. You keep your nipple private for your lover not the public.''


 


There is growing ''uneasiness about the public display of breasts'', she says, on beaches and at public pools, where TV host David Koch reckons breastfeeding women should be ''more discreet and modest''.


The Australian Nudist Federation sees something sinister at play. ''When breasts go away from our beaches there is something wrong with our society,'' said federation president Greg, who asked we not publish his surname for fear of embarrassing his 19-year-old daughter.


''This is a litmus test of the modern sickness of the society we live in, that it's either not trusting or not safe or not confident.''


 


He blames the nipple no-show on US network television, in which nudity is rare.


The Waverley mayor, Sally Betts, who recalls going topless on beaches in the 1970s, says young women today are more conservative and conscious of skin cancer. And yet many still sunbake in bikinis. Or dress provocatively on Friday nights in the city.


 


''It's a complete paradox,'' says a 48-year-old topless high school teacher on Dee Why beach, who does not want to be named. ''They don't go topless but they will wear G-strings in a second.''


 


On Tamarama, wearing a snug blue-and-white string bikini, Kelsey Martin, 23, says many young women are too insecure to drop their tops. ''I think it's a beautiful thing to be free and to feel naked but in our culture there is such a pressure to be perfect or to look a certain way that I don't think girls feel free,'' she says.


''I think tanning topless is so about body image and the way you see yourself.


''Everyone is beautiful, but people don't think that.''



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/young-women-keep-their-tops-on-unlike-their-mothers-generation-20130125-2d...


 

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Martini, It seems we are often judged negatively if we do ..as well as if we don't 

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But I don't have a negative attitude about breastfeeding iza. Neither do I have a negative attitude to my breasts, anyone elses breasts or naked flesh in general ?:|


 


My point was always that breastfeeding women face a society that is uncomfortable (and apparently becoming more uncomfortable) with bare breasts and until we get over our issue with nudity then they need to be aware that seeing their breast makes others around them uncomfortable.


 


But some breast feeding women seem to become so singularly minded while breastfeeding that they 'forget' what is going on around them or what level of nudity is acceptable at that moment in time.


 


To support public breastfeeding then I (we) have to start at the source and make sure our daughters don't have the same attitude toward their bodies as the young girls in this article do. 

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I'm a generation X'er.I have no desire to go topless.I am also aware of skin cancer.I support public breastfeeding.I am comfortable with my body and do not consider myself conservative for having no desire or need to go topless in public.


 


Thanks. I understand now. I wasn't suggesting you were conservative but much has been written about how conservative GenXers and Gen Yers are - to nudity, to politics, to sex. They take less risks and they are less forward thinking.


 


At 46 I am a Gen Xer too (but only just). But my view of my body, politics, sex etc is viewed through the 70's which was a hugely liberating time for women.


 


I was reading an article a while ago about the history of nipples in our visual culture and in the space of a decade (70s/80's to 90's/00's) we went seeing nipples everywhere (TV, movies, Page 3 girl, bras less tops) to never seeing them (we photoshop them out, we never go braless, our bras are padded etc).


 


Something as simple as a nipple causes such a stir these days - but remember it wasn't that long ago that erect nipples were the norm in every day life because we didn't have padded bras to cover it up. Now we only view erect nipples as a sexual sign. So is it any wonder that seeing a nipple in a public pool is a shock to the system?


 


Anyway, I had better get off my behind and enjoy the rest of the day with the family lol!

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To support public breastfeeding then I (we) have to start at the source and make sure our daughters don't have the same attitude toward their bodies as the young girls in this article do. 


 



I agree.....though kind of different when it's just going topless (which is illegal in most public places isn't it ?) for selfish reasons isn't it ?


 


and if this is their attitude to being topless which you find  sad


 


"They talk about feeling pressure to be perfect, respecting your body, respecting others around you. And they use words like taboo and vulnerable.


 


How sad."


 


 


and that is an attitude you think needs to change ,how does ?


 


My point was always that breastfeeding women face a society that is uncomfortable (and apparently becoming more uncomfortable) with bare breasts and until we get over our issue with nudity then they need to be aware that seeing their breast makes others around them uncomfortable.


 


But some breast feeding women seem to become so singularly minded while breastfeeding that they 'forget' what is going on around them or what level of nudity is acceptable at that moment in time.


 


work towards changing that attitude of ?


feeling pressure to be perfect, respecting your body, respecting others around you. And they use words like taboo and vulnerable.


 


 


which as you said you find sad ?

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 So is it any wonder that seeing a nipple in a public pool is a shock to the system?


 



I think that's why some women are trying to raise awareness.


Have a great day Martini 🙂

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Yep you too iza. Happy Australia Day!

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Sorry - didn't realise that was such a long rant lol!



It was worth a rant.


 

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So is it any wonder that seeing a nipple in a public pool is a shock to the system?


 


Not as shocking as seeing a blind mullet floating by.:O Sorry, thought I would lighten things up.

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Baring your breasts at the beach - a generational thing?

Az and Yoda do you think that would work ...


we encourage young women to be that OK with their bodies that they go topless and completely show their  breasts


 


and then it will follow that it will be seen as socially acceptable for breastfeeding women to show breast and nippleto whatever extent they need to in the process of publicly feed their baby girls and boys as the law (and Mother nature) allows them to do?

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Baring your breasts at the beach - a generational thing?

Iza, I think the 2 situations will never collide as the nature of people is so different, we have personalities, upbringing, influences.....etc

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