Boat people are not refugees

[lightningdance]

At last it has been admitted what many of us have known for years. illegal boat immigrants are not refugees, they are economic refugees.

Bob Carr admitted this on Lateline with Tony Jones.

He also admitted that the immigration dept dealing with this massive influx has been staffed with people who are not competent & are pro immigrant in all forms.

We are seeing over 100 people a day arriving, Labor has totally lost control of the situation & we are facing an influx of illegal immigrants who are criminally invading us at will.

45.000 people are here in the community & detention with 100 a day arriving non stop.

This failure alone is an indictment on Rudd & further indictment on Gillard & Labor who have lied to us for 6 years & now they expect us to vote them back in.

[lightningdance]

Posting excerpts that suit your view is typical.

To all who are comfortable with this disaster, 100 people per day & more coming, what do you plan to do.

Our humanitarian program has been abandoned for the criminal people smugglers, our overseas aid has been raided to look after the so called refugees at the expense of people who really need help.

My guess is that even when faced with the  truth uttered by Bob Carr saying they are not refugees but economic refugees country shopping & that the immigration dept "has got it all wrong" then continue to keep your head in the sand & then don't cry when our hospitals & medicare can no longer function under this policy as they are struggling now.

Keep them coming, plenty of land & water here but only on the coast of this country, keep them coming until our cities are choked with congestion like Cairo, keep them coming until we see the edges of our cities fall into chaos & rioting by the underclass labor are creating today.

Keep your head buried, it may not affect you but it will change our country forever, for our young ones going forward.

[izabsmiling]

Lightning, I have asked here what will Tony do ...what he says he will do won't get the go ahead OS ?

[izabsmiling]

Posting excerpts that suit your view is typical.

as in your OP ?

[***super_nova***]

This failure alone is an indictment on Rudd & further indictment on Gillard & Labor who have lied to us for 6 years & now they expect us to vote them back in.

Actually, the increase in boat arrival is due to increased instability in the world, and it is only going to get worse as the Syrian people who are in this moment surviving in horrendous conditions in the refugees camps in surrounding countries will be seeking to get resettled, and as troops are withdrawing from Afganistan there will be more people escaping away from there.

Indonesia could stop the boats, but they are just glad that some of the refugees are leaving; Indonesia is a poor country and they have many more  of refugees than get through here.

[***super_nova***]

To all who are comfortable with this disaster, 100 people per day & more coming, what do you plan to do.

Nobody is saying that they are comfortable with desperate people coming on unseaworthy boats, and hundreds drowning.  However, Australia gets only very small % of the total misplaced people in the world arriving by boats.  At the height of any conflict in Africa, countries like Italy and Spain get  many thousands a day. 

[pct001wine]

It often gets trotted out, this "why don't you look after the refugees, take them into your own home, nyer nyer" as if it negates the opportunity to have an opinion about the subject, or invalidates your ability to empathise with their plight.

As azureline said above, for many people it may not be possible, or allowed.  There are other ways of helping (ESL course assistance, other volunteering, fiscal or material donations) and I am sure that you, nero, can offer your help (as I do).   Maybe here is a place to start:

  http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/g/vol.php#sa

Let me know how you get on, I would be keen to know.  It will be a very rewarding experience.

[i-need-a-martini]

I am wondering what the OP thinks an economic refugee is?

What Bob Carr is referring to is the spike in the number of Iranians seeking refugee status.

These aren't your ordinary refugees - they are middle to upper class, well educated, non-Islamic  and speak English. In theory they can pay for a plane ticket without too much problem.

But there are 2 problems facing them if they try and reach Australia 'legally' -

1. Many are stateless so cannot get a passport. If you have ever traveled then I am sure you understand that you can't actually get on a plane without a passport.


2. Those that do have have passports will find that they are useless for getting into most countries including Australia. Australia will only grant a very small number of short term visas for people from risk countries. By risk countries they mean ones where people come here on a holiday and then claim asylum.

So if these people want to leave Iran they can  do one of 2 things. They can make their way to a refugee camp in some third world country and wallow away decades of their lives waiting to be accepted somewhere in subhuman conditions. Usually without their families.

Or they take what will be the biggest risk of their lives and jump on a leaky boat.

And I should point out that Iranian boat people do not take a boat from Iran. They usually take it from a refugee camp - this is their last desperate ditch to get out.

And perhaps I should also point out that we accept nearly 100% resettlement for Iranian refugees at a much faster rate than any other refugee. What's not to accept? 

[nero_bolt]

Thanks to reckless Labor we’ve gone from too few to worry about to too many to stop.

Rudd was the man most responsible. The cost in lives and money has been enormous.

anyone paying tax is contributing aren't they ?

WELL done the penny has finally dropped for you. YES we are all paying for these people, every single one of us when OUR money should be better spent on Australians.  Why are we spending it on ILLEGALS with NO paper work

Each one costs us over $70,000.00 PER year to keep here.

Three boats arrive for Rudd’s first day. His greatest error is still with us

Kevin Rudd’s worst and deadliest mistake was to scrap in 2008 the tough border laws which had cut boat arrivals to just three a year.

Yesterday we were told of three arriving in 24 hours:

27 June 2013

HMAS Larrakia, operating under the control of Border Protection Command, intercepted a suspected irregular entry vessel east of Christmas Island on Wednesday night.

Initial indications suggest there were 64 passengers and two crew on board.

27 June 2013

HMAS Larrakia, operating under the control of Border Protection Command, intercepted a suspected irregular entry vessel north of Christmas Island on Wednesday.

Initial indications suggest there were 65 passengers and two crew on board.

27 June 2013

HMAS Larrakia, operating under the control of Border Protection Command, intercepted a suspected irregular entry vessel north-east of Christmas Island on Tuesday.

Initial indications suggest there were 79 people on board.

This not just a mistake in Rudd’s past. It is a mistake he must fix today

more here 

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/three_boats_arrive_for_rudds_first_day_his_greatest_error_is_still_with_us/  

[izabsmiling]

NW, would you please post your idea of what 'our culture' is ?

[izabsmiling]

Yes just let them all into OUR country and destroy our culture and these people do NOT assimilate with the Australian way of life.   

Most of my family was just let  in ...in the 1800's

yours ?