Boat people are not refugees

[lightningdance]

At last it has been admitted what many of us have known for years. illegal boat immigrants are not refugees, they are economic refugees.

Bob Carr admitted this on Lateline with Tony Jones.

He also admitted that the immigration dept dealing with this massive influx has been staffed with people who are not competent & are pro immigrant in all forms.

We are seeing over 100 people a day arriving, Labor has totally lost control of the situation & we are facing an influx of illegal immigrants who are criminally invading us at will.

45.000 people are here in the community & detention with 100 a day arriving non stop.

This failure alone is an indictment on Rudd & further indictment on Gillard & Labor who have lied to us for 6 years & now they expect us to vote them back in.

[izabsmiling]

the other thing is that when some speak out and blame multiculturalism for so many things ...many who have their brain switched are aware of when our Country would not have been a multicultural Country .

[izabsmiling]

switched on ...mine has now switched off 

it has seemed that way for some time now pct 😐

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[*mrgrizz*]

the other thing is that when some speak out and blame multiculturalism for so many things ...many who have their brain switched are aware of when our Country would not have been a multicultural Country .

do you ever proof read anything you write?

[azureline**]

Here we go again. The endless C&P but no personal content, so tiring.

did you say that about the other copy/pasting on here?

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are economic refugees not refugees ?

Can you seek protection in Australia under the Refugee Convention on those grounds?

[icyfroth]

The boats are a Trojan horse multiplied.

It'll be interesting to see how Tony Abbott's going to stop them, though.

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It is very easy to list how much it costs to deal with refugees.  But there is no easy answer to what to do with them.  You cannot just put them on planes.  Australia has international obligations; we cannot just throw a tanty and say we are not going to do our bit. 

It is a well known fact that Indonesian official (police) are directly involved in sending the boats to Australia.  Both Indonesia and Malaysia have a large number of refugees, and they are only too happy to have them go on to Australia.  And they will not put up with boats in international waters being towed into Indonesian waters. 

The cheapest option is to process people on the mainland as fast as possible, then hopefully they will be able to get their life together, start earning money and contributing to the society.  Actually, migrants are very good for the economy, they need to establish themselves = furnish houses etc.  By the way, while the government does spend money on accommodation for migrants, which is available to them when they are released from the detention, that is only a temporary arrangement for 3 moths, then they have to  do it on their own.  Usually they are helped by their ethnic groups.  I have never met a refugee who was not most anxious to get a job and work hard to get his life together; most felt that so much of their lives has been wasted already.   

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Bob Carr from Iza's link:

BOB CARR: Well I said in the Labor caucus this week: we've got to recognise - and the people who've expressed noble sentiments on refugee rights have got to recognise that under our noses, the nature of this problem has changed.

The people coming here by irregular means, irregular maritime arrivals, in the language of the bureaucracy, are being brought here by people smugglers - all of them, being brought here as part of a criminal commercial organisation. Second change: they're not people fleeing persecution.

They're coming from majority religious or ethnic groups in the countries their fleeing, they're coming here as economic migrants. And the third: there is an unsustainable spike in their numbers. It's not the old days where their number were so few, a person with noble instincts could say let them just slide into the population.

TONY JONES: Do some mathematics here. If they're economic migrants, why do nine out of 10 of them pretty much get accepted as genuine refugees? Are you saying we've got that wrong?

BOB CARR: Yeah, we've reached the view that as a result of court and tribunal decisions, it's coming up wrong. We need a tougher, more hard-edged assessment. And again I say to those Australians who believe this country ought to distinguish itself by its decency to refugees, the problem in front of us measurably has changed. It is people smuggling, it is people coming here as economic migrants, it is people coming here in numbers that will push aside our generous humanitarian intake as part of our regular migration program.

[*mrgrizz*]

It is very easy to list how much it costs to deal with refugees.  But there is no easy answer to what to do with them.  You cannot just put them on planes.  Australia has international obligations; we cannot just throw a tanty and say we are not going to do our bit. 

It is a well known fact that Indonesian official (police) are directly involved in sending the boats to Australia.  Both Indonesia and Malaysia have a large number of refugees, and they are only too happy to have them go on to Australia.  And they will not put up with boats in international waters being towed into Indonesian waters. 

The cheapest option is to process people on the mainland as fast as possible, then hopefully they will be able to get their life together, start earning money and contributing to the society.  Actually, migrants are very good for the economy, they need to establish themselves = furnish houses etc.  By the way, while the government does spend money on accommodation for migrants, which is available to them when they are released from the detention, that is only a temporary arrangement for 3 moths, then they have to  do it on their own.  Usually they are helped by their ethnic groups.  I have never met a refugee who was not most anxious to get a job and work hard to get his life together; most felt that so much of their lives has been wasted already.   

australia does do our bit.

most australians don't have a problem with refugees, just a problem with how they are getting here,

we have the right to secure borders

we have the right to control where the refugees come from

we have the right to control how many refugees come here