Boycott petrol!

[i-need-a-martini]

Halal certification funding terrorism = a big fat lie.

Crude Oil funding terrorism = fact.

So IF you are really so concerned about the spread of Islam, the horror of terrorism, and the threat of muslims taking over Australia then I suggest you stop driving a car.

So far this fact has been ignored in the halal obsessed threads which is very odd given the feverish arguments about Islamic terrorism.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Because they have a stranglehold on producers?

How can 2% of the population have a stranglehold on producers? Are they threatening to bomb their businesses or assassinate their CEOs if they don't obtain certification? If Vegemite started using alcohol derived yeast in their product and Australian Muslims stopped buying it, would the company go broke?

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Noooo! Can you not see the paradox here? Why do the major producers feel they have to pay for Halal when it serves just a small percentage of the populace?

If the 2% Muslim population chose not to buy what the remaining 98% does, why would producers and retailers care if they have the majority of the market anyway?

Do they know something we don't?

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The major producers CHOOSE  to do it.

1. Freedom of choice describes an individual's opportunity and autonomy to perform an action selected from at least two available options, unconstrained by external parties. (Wikipedia)

   Usually the major companies CHOOSE to do it because the customers to whom they EXPORT their goods CHOOSE only to buy from companies that are halal certified, just as you CHOOSE not to buy from those same companies.

[icyfroth]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Because they have a stranglehold on producers?

How can 2% of the population have a stranglehold on producers? Are they threatening to bomb their businesses or assassinate their CEOs if they don't obtain certification? If Vegemite started using alcohol derived yeast in their product and Australian Muslims stopped buying it, would the company go broke?

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Noooo! Can you not see the paradox here? Why do the major producers feel they have to pay for Halal when it serves just a small percentage of the populace?

If the 2% Muslim population chose not to buy what the remaining 98% does, why would producers and retailers care if they have the majority of the market anyway?

Do they know something we don't?

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The major producers CHOOSE  to do it.

1. Freedom of choice describes an individual's opportunity and autonomy to perform an action selected from at least two available options, unconstrained by external parties. (Wikipedia)

   Usually the major companies CHOOSE to do it because the customers to whom they EXPORT their goods CHOOSE only to buy from companies that are halal certified, just as you CHOOSE not to buy from those same companies.

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But major companies don't care about freedom of choice! In fact, there's no freedom of choice. They dont CHOOSE. They go with market trends! They influence market trends, It's not a matter of choice, it's a matter of where the PROFIT is. So where does the profit come from for a Halal accreditation-seeking co if only a small percentage of their trade comes our way anyway?
Hardly worth it, is it?

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Because they have a stranglehold on producers?

How can 2% of the population have a stranglehold on producers? Are they threatening to bomb their businesses or assassinate their CEOs if they don't obtain certification? If Vegemite started using alcohol derived yeast in their product and Australian Muslims stopped buying it, would the company go broke?

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Noooo! Can you not see the paradox here? Why do the major producers feel they have to pay for Halal when it serves just a small percentage of the populace?

If the 2% Muslim population chose not to buy what the remaining 98% does, why would producers and retailers care if they have the majority of the market anyway?

Do they know something we don't?

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The major producers CHOOSE  to do it.

1. Freedom of choice describes an individual's opportunity and autonomy to perform an action selected from at least two available options, unconstrained by external parties. (Wikipedia)

   Usually the major companies CHOOSE to do it because the customers to whom they EXPORT their goods CHOOSE only to buy from companies that are halal certified, just as you CHOOSE not to buy from those same companies.

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But major companies don't care about freedom of choice! In fact, there's no freedom of choice. They dont CHOOSE. They go with market trends! They influence market trends, It's not a matter of choice, it's a matter of where the PROFIT is. So where does the profit come from for a Halal accreditation-seeking co if only a small percentage of their trade comes our way anyway?
Hardly worth it, is it?

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Of course they choose!

They weigh up their commercial options and MAKE A CHOICE !

Do we decide to export our product and or stick with our local customers.

If we decide to export which companie sin which countries do we want to sell to?

What are the requirements of these companies? Is it going to worth our while to comply with those requirements?

What part of that is not choosing?

As for where the profit comes from Common sense should tell you that if a company seeks halal certification it must be becausse they are hoping to make a profit from customers who require that certification - i.e. the export market. Under these circumstances pandering to the sensitivities of a small minority of Australians (anti halal activists) is not going to be a sensible choice.

[cherry*135]

Consider this, icy, we aren't talking small change. Export business is the only way most companies can grow & expand. That of course means more jobs created.

The halal food market is expected to be worth US$1.6 trillion globally by 2018. With an average growth rate of 6.9 percent a year, it’s a sector that cannot be ignored, especially by food manufacturers keen to make their mark internationally.

Dalene Wray, general manager at OBE Organic, a certified organic and halal producer and exporter of beef, says certification allows companies to access new markets around the world.

“From a manufacturing point of view, it gives the manufacturer or the producer of the product more opportunities for sales of their product globally, if it’s halal certified.

A lot of companies sell their products/produce in Australia and export them. Byron Bay cookies one of the companies targeted negativelyon their business facebook page by the hlh groups because of their halal certification, has an annual turnover of $13m.... would they have that higher turnover if they were only baking and selling cookies in Byron Bay or NSW only? No they wouldn't. Who running a business wouldn't want to expand and grow.

[cherry*135]

So where does the profit come from for a Halal accreditation-seeking co if only a small percentage of their trade comes our way anyway?

The halal food market is expected to be worth US$1.6 trillion globally by 2018. With an average growth rate of 6.9 percent a year, it’s a sector that cannot be ignored, especially by food manufacturers keen to make their mark internationally.

Who mentioned it is only a small % of their trade that comes our way. The more companies that get their products halal certified the more will be exporting &  earning more  and this will be good for Australia's economic growth as well as company profit.

Ararat Meat Exports are specialists in the export of quality mutton and lamb and also sheep skins. The business was established in 1993, and it operates the largest mutton abattoir in Victoria. HALAL accredited, and under AQIS supervision, the abattoirs slaughters approximately one million sheep per year.

All product processed at the abattoir is exported to various locations around the world such as Russia, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iraq, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, Mexico, the Caribbean, South Africa, Malaysia, China, Taiwan, Korea, Singapore.

Located in Ararat 200 km west of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.

[iapetus_rocks]

I wonder what the suicide rate is for those who kill animals for a living.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

I wonder what the suicide rate is for those who kill animals for a living.

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Mr Grizz might know. I heard once that the profession with the highest suicide rate is dentistry.

[iapetus_rocks]

Yep dentists and anaesthetists have a high suicide rate. But I wonder if those who kill for a living become similarly disenchanted with life?

[cherry*135]

There are a few meat works near where my family live in NZ. I know people that work in them. I have never heard of anyone commiting suicide that works there. 

It was a highly paid job - any of the roles there. Work half the year (season) and income same as 12mths work..I am not sure if it is still so lucrative now.

[*mrgrizz*]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

I wonder what the suicide rate is for those who kill animals for a living.

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i don't think it is any higher than the rest of the population.

only 2 people are really involved in the killing of an animal. the stunner and the slaughterer.