Combet’s carbon system scheme rocked: Budget to lose billions

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Lets have a post about the massive FRAUD that is the carbon tax and the greatest LIE ever told by a politician let alone our PM


 


Combet’s carbon system scheme rocked: Budget to lose billions


 


Europe’s carbon permits have crashed to record new low prices, leaving the Federal Government facing a budget hole of more than $4 billion a year from 2015.


 


The price of Europe’s Emissions Trading System permits dropped overnight to just $3.33. Australia’s price is $23 a tonne - by far the most expensive in the world.


 


This doesn’t just mean the Gillard Government is pricing business out of the market with a huge new tax. It also means the Government could be left with a gaping hole in its Budget in two year’s time, when Australian companies can buy cheap European permits instead of our own to offset their emissions.


 


The Government is counting on raising more than $9 billion a year with its carbon tax. But that tax take will be slashed by billions if Australian companies can buy European permits for around $4.


 


 


That now looks almost certain, after a plan to drive up the price of carbon dioxide emission credits was rejected overnight by the Europ...


 


European Union Parliamentarians rejected a scheme conceived by the European Commission last year that would have frozen a large portion of the bloc’s carbon emission credits…


 


The idea behind the measure was to reduce the available number credits in the EU’s Emissions Trading System (ETS) in an effort to drive up the price of the credits. That way, companies would have had a greater incentive to invest in more environmentally-friendly equipment.


 


However, the vote actually sent the price of the credits down, meaning companies are better off continuing to pay for the credits than investing in alternative technologies.


 


The price now?


The result of the vote has seen carbon prices drop 40 per cent to a record low of €2.63 a tonne [$3.33]… 


 


Nor is a real recovery in prices expected for years to come:


But carbon analyst Stig Schjølset, of Thomson Reuters Point Carbon, said the plan was now “politically dead”. “We do not envisage prices rising much above the current €3 mark and they may well drop lower,” he added. “Certainly this vote makes the EU ETS irrelevant as an emissions reduction tool for many years to come.”


 


This exposes Climate Change Minister Greg Combet as either utterly incompetent or utterly mendacious. Or, perhaps, both.


 


With zero training in economics and no Treasury officials by my side even I could see months ago Combet was Australia’s biggest bull artist  when he claimed his carbon trading system wouldn’t leave the Budget with a black hole.


 


Here is Combet in August, claiming the world’s price would actually be around $29 a tonne two years from now:


 


The federal government say Australia’s price of carbon from 2015 will be linked to the European Union emissions trading scheme (ETS)…


 


“This means that from July 1, 2015 Australia’s carbon price will effectively be the same as that that operates in our second largest trading bloc,” Mr Combet said…


 


Under the full arrangement businesses will be allowed to use carbon units from the Australian emissions trading scheme or the European Union Emissions Trading System for compliance under either system…


Mr Combet repeated he was confident of the Treasury modelling, which predicts a $29 a tonne carbon price in 2015/16.


 


He was asked if the government would face a budget shortfall, in contrast to the $9.4 billion of revenue it had predicted the floating price would generate in the 2015/16 budget.


 


“It is three years away and the Treasury modelling is something that we stand by,” Mr Combet said.


 


Combet needed to say that because if he admitted the price would fall, he’d have to admit also the Government’s compensation for a higher carbon tax would have to fall, too. Instead, he promised the handouts would keep coming:


 


The government would not reduce household assistance payments and tax cuts set up to compensate for the price impacts of the carbon tax.


 


“We will not be cutting any household assistance,” Mr Combet said.


 


Only in February did Combet hint that his scheme was collapsing:


 


Climate Change Minister Greg Combet flagged the federal government may cut revenue forecasts for the...    in this year’s budget as the chairman of its Climate Change Authority, Bernie Fraser, said Treasury’s price projections were out of date and unrealistic…


 


He was responding to a report in The Australian Financial Review which said the government faces a revenue hole of up to $4 billion in 2015-16 from a collapse in the carbon price, which is now about $5 a tonne.


 


Australia’s carbon price is $23 a tonne and will continue to rise until 2015, when it will float.


 


The Financial Review reported the Climate Change Authority has acknowledged the possibility of a slump to $10.72 a tonne in the price of carbon in 2015-16.


 


Mr Fraser said he was sceptical of predictions the price of carbon internationally would recover and the Treasury modelling should be updated…


 


[Combet] said last August: “The Treasury modelling that was done is something that the government stands behind and we continue to adhere to, and that does predict a $29 a tonne carbon price in fiscal year 2015-16.”


On Wednesday he said: “The Treasury has done its forecast for that price, they are included in the budget forward estimates and if there is any update of them they will take place in the budget.”


 


That loss of $4 billion a year is now looking optimistic.


 


 


But so typical of this government. Even if the tax take falls, it promises not to cut the handouts that tax is supposed to fund:


 


Even if revenue slumped, Mr Combet said the government was committed to tax cuts legislated to occur in 2015-16 and intended to compensate for a higher carbon price.


 


The May Budget, I suspect, will show just how incompetent Combet has been, and how mendacious, too, in his promises.


 


http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/combets_carbon_system_scheme_rocked_budget_to_lose_billions/  


 

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"the greatest LIE ever told by a politician"


 


Think you are getting a tad over-excited there OP (not sure if they were bolts words, or you actually contributed this gem yourself), how about:


 


"I did not have soxual relations with that woman" (Bill Clinton);


"I am not a crook" (Richard Nixon);


"I have no plans to invade Poland" (ok, I made that one up)


 


 

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THE BIG CARBON LIE


 


by Rudd, "The greatest moral challenge of out time"


Rudd insults our biggest trading partner China by calling them something about rats


Gillard begged him to drop it


Rudd drops it, showing he has no moral fibre


Gillard knifes him


Gillard perpetrates the biggest political lie ever uttered," There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"


Gillard foists the most expensive carbon tax in the world on Australia


The bottom drops out of carbon pricing


The big winners of the carbon lie: Al Gore & Flannery

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In 2012 Julia Gillard triumphantly announced in Parliament that she would tie her Carbon Tax to the European ETS.

It was another bad judgment by Julia Gillard.

Overnight, there were wild price fluctuations in the European carbon price with Europe’s price falling 30 per cent by the end of trading. The Economist has even now called the carbon permits traded as “below the level of junk bonds”.

Two simple messages come out of this: The Australian Carbon Tax is now 5.5 times higher than the European tax – and under Labor, the Carbon Tax is due to increase again on 1 July this year and 1 July next year!



The Government’s Carbon Tax is in chaos. Labor's Budget forecasts the Carbon Tax to soar to $37 per tonne by 2020.


 


So either the Government’s modelling is correct and we will be even more out of line with the rest of the world, or if it is not, the ALP’s Carbon Tax will create a multi-billion dollar black hole and Labor's Budget deficit will only get worse.



In addition, the head of EU carbon analysis for PointCarbon, said “The EU ETS will not bring about any additional greenhouse gas reductions, so it will be irrelevant in terms of reducing total emissions in Europe.”


Another day another policy failure.

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Its actually worse than that LD, much worse. Its now $3.34 aus dollars a tonne over there.... 


 


From the ABC, wonder if the luvies will say the ABC lies and is Murdoch controlled etc etc etc.


 


Plunging carbon price to hit budget


 


The Federal Opposition says a potential multi-billion dollar hit to the budget following a plunge in Europe's carbon price has put future tax cuts and pension rises "at risk".


 


The Government's carbon package includes compensation for pensioners and low to middle-income households and a second round of tax cuts in 2015-16.


 


But opposition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey says the slump in the carbon price in Europe, the world's largest carbon market, will have a costly impact on Australia's carbon market.


 


"If the European price today is to be applied to the budget then there will be a budget hole of at least $7 billion - in just one year," he said.


 


The price of carbon in Europe has plunged as much as 45 per cent after the European Parliament rejected an emergency plan that would have forced companies to pay more for polluting.


 


Carbon permits dropped to as little as 2.63 euros ($3.34) a tonne, and German power prices for next year fell to their lowest level since 2007.


 


Australia's carbon pricing scheme will be linked to the European system from 2015, when the fixed carbon tax will cede to an emissions trading scheme.


 


Treasury modelling had previously estimated the carbon price for 2015-16 would rise from a fixed rate of $23 a tonne to $29.


 


Mr Hockey says the budget is in "a mess".


 


"Over 50 per cent of the money that was meant to come from the carbon tax is meant to go to households in tax cuts and increased compensation - that is not tied to a carbon price of $29 a tonne - and therefore tax cuts and household compensation will clearly be at risk because of the way this government has decided to design the carbon tax package," he said.


 


The Coalition has previously committed to a "modest" tax cut after winning office but had been less clear on what elements of the compensation package it might dump if it won government.


 


Read lots more here  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-17/combet-on-carbon-price-hit-to-budget/4634526


 


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-17/carbon-price-plunge-to-hit-budget/4635670


 


2 very good ABC videos to watch about this story


 


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-17/carbon-price-crash-creates-budget-pressure/4635910


 


 



 


 

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first, folk,  we get plageurised threads with no attributation to the author,


 


now,  we're gettin' dirty altered off-colour graphics of someone's else's artworx 


 


(expletivewit)

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nero_bolt
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It just gets worse and worse and we will pay for the LIE she told.  All this LIE and carbon tax is doing is hurting Australia 


 


 


Labor in a $7 billion black hole as world carbon price collapses


 


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/labor-in-a-7-billion-black-hole-as-world-carbon-price-collapses/story-e6freuy9-1226623005919 


 


A COLLAPSE in the European carbon price will burn a hole in Wayne Swan's budget, with the government scrambling to remodel and downgrade its forecasted price in 2015.


News of the writedown came as the European price sank below $4 after measures to prop it up failed in the European Parliament.


 


A new round of tax cuts due in 2015 that were to help Australians cope with what had been expected to be a world carbon price of $29 a tonne will still be paid despite the federal government revising its forecast.


 


The compensation will cost $14.9 billion over the first four years of the tax which started on July 1 last year at $23 a tonne.


 


Treasury officials had predicted in 2011 that, when the carbon tax moves to a floating price in 2015, the world carbon price would be at least $29 a tonne and as high as $61 a tonne. A floor price of $15, described by the government in 2011 as a "safety valve" that was to apply for three years from 2015, was scrapped in August last year so the Australian scheme could be linked to the European scheme.


 


Blaming the GFC, Climate Change Minister Greg Combet confirmed the government had abandoned its earlier forecasts.


 


Opposition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey claimed the hit to the budget could be as high as $7 billion a year. Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry Chief economist Greg Evans said the collapse in the European price showed the scale of the "economic recklessness of imposing a carbon tax of $23 per tonne on Australian industry and consumers"


 


He also said that the extra tax burden put Australia's economy at a "significant competitive disadvantage".


 


and more here


 


Carbon tax just doesn't add up


 


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/carbon-tax-just-doesnt-add-up/story-e6frezz0-1226622932516


 


JUST two years ago, treasury officials predicted global carbon prices would reach from between $29 per tonne and $61 per tonne by 2015.


 


Those figures were crucial in determining returns from Australia's carbon tax, which by 2015 is scheduled to move to a floating, market-following price.


 


But Climate Change Minister Greg Combet and his Labor colleagues are now in frantic recalculation mode. Instead of reaching double figures, Europe's carbon market has completely collapsed - and is set to take our government's carbon tax with it.

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After readinmg this I wonder just how Swan will cook the books to hide this monumental mismanagement & his total incompetence. Tjis is a thousand times worse than the mining tax fiasco, billions have been spent & promised & they are going out backwards, they have no money & Combet is the "biggest bs artist in the world:


 


Not only are they lying to us every day but they are in charge of this country & driving it into the ground. This Carbon Tax is slated to go up every year so it's a tax that would cripple this country & Labor lie about it every day. This is totally unforgiveable.


 


If nothing else they deserve to be driven out for this. When they are finally gone I shudder to think just what shape & how big a hole is really there.




EU carbon crash to dig $10bn budget hole


by: Sid Maher, Political correspondent


 


Coalition warns of budget black hole


 


The coalition says the federal budget could be facing a black hole after Europe's carbon price plummeted.


 


A  PRICE collapse in the world's biggest carbon market threatens to punch a $10 billion revenue hole in the Gillard government's budget forward estimates and has reignited business calls less than five months before the federal election for Labor's carbon pricing scheme to be scrapped.


 


Business was united in condemning Labor's carbon scheme after European Union carbon prices plunged to less than one-fifth of the Australian price, in response to the EU parliament narrowly rejecting a plan to prop up prices.


 


The government faced immediate business pressure to abandon its fixed carbon price, which is due to rise from $23 a tonne to $24.15 on July 1.


Business Council of Australia president Tony Shepherd declared it "ridiculous" that Australian businesses faced a $23-a-tonne carbon price while the Europeans faced a price just above $3 a tonne.


 


AI Group chief executive Innes Willox said the EU parliament's vote to keep carbon prices low highlighted "how far out of kilter Australia's high fixed carbon prices are".


 


"Linking internationally and abolishing the fixed-price carbon tax now would cut the carbon price by 80 per cent to $4, reducing electricity prices by more than 1.5c per kilowatt hour and taking pressure off trade-exposed industries and households," Mr Willox said.


Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry economics director Greg Evans described the Australian scheme as "economic recklessness" and said it should be scrapped.


Minerals Council of Australia chief executive Mitch Hooke declared the scheme was now "untenable".


 


Climate Change Minister Greg Combet said the government would revise its forecasts for its carbon price revenue when it delivered the budget in May.


Mr Combet said linking with the European scheme was still two years away. A lot could happen in that time, and the Europeans would try other measures to raise their carbon price.


 


Wayne Swan said through a spokesman that the government would update revenue and forecasts in the budget in the "usual way".


Opposition Treasury spokesman Joe Hockey said the budget was in "chaos" and faced a $7bn revenue hole.


 


University of Wollongong economics professor Henry Ergas predicted a $5.3bn revenue hole in each of the 2015-16 and 2016-17 years based on the collapse of the European carbon price to about $5 a tonne. Professor Ergas said that, by pricing carbon at less than $5 a tonne, the market was providing an indication of where it believed prices were headed.


"It was a foolish scheme to begin with," he said. "It makes no sense to have a high price now and a low price in future . . . there is no benefit to the environment or to the economy."


The government's scheme budgets for a $23 a tonne price in 2012-13, rising to $24.15 in 2013-14 and $25.40 in 2014-15. The carbon price will be linked with the EU scheme from July 2015 and the price will float.


 


In last year's budget, Treasury predicted the carbon price would be $29 a tonne in 2015-16, providing projected revenues of $6.7bn.


 


In sticking with the $29 figure, Treasury acknowledged that prices had fallen but cited potential EU "policy options to increase the current low prices in the EU ETS, with implications for international carbon markets".


 


On Tuesday night the European parliament rejected a proposal - by 334 votes to 315 - to postpone the sale of 900 million permits aimed at propping up the price. The price immediately fell 50 per cent to a low of $3.23.


 


After the vote, the EU's Council of Environment Ministers said it would look at alternative ways to bolster the EU carbon price.


Mr Combet said the EU was very determined to tackle global greenhouse gas emissions.


"This was just one proposal of a number that they are considering to support their emissions trading scheme so it will now be considered further by the parliament's environment committee in Europe," Mr Combet said.


"The carbon market in Europe is just one of the markets that has been affected very seriously by the global financial crisis and by the financial crisis in Europe specifically and so the low prices are a response to those influences. We will continue with our plans to link with the European emissions trading scheme from 1 July, 2015, which is still over two years away, but this year's budget, as is usual practice by Treasury, will include a revised forecast for a carbon price in 2015-16 in Australia."


 


Mr Combet said it was widely recognised that emissions trading schemes were the most effective way of developing a global carbon market that would drive down greenhouse gas emissions.


"And I don't think the overnight events in the European parliament which are just considering one proposal should be seen as some way of undermining global action on climate change," he said. "The determination is there and the commitment to develop global carbon markets is there."


 


Mr Evans said the collapse of the European price "shows the scale of the economic recklessness of imposing a carbon tax of $23 a tonne on Australian industry and consumers".


 


"The highest carbon price in the world is taking its toll on domestic industry with investment and jobs starting to move offshore in a number of energy intensive industries and smaller more vulnerable businesses," he said.


 


Mr Hooke said the $23 carbon tax was untenable, "as it locks in a huge competitive disadvantage against the only other economy-wide carbon pricing scheme, and an even larger hit compared with most other competitors with no carbon price at all".


"This futile millstone around the neck of Australian exporters should be scrapped," he said. "There is a better way to price carbon to manage the challenge of climate change."


 

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Usually the usual lab luvvies mob a post like this, wailing, tearing their clothes, screaming Murdoch bias, but nothing when their beloved ABC lifts the lid on this stinking mess.


 


The rotting carcase of this soul destroying tax is ruining this country & the lies & deceit from this Lab govt. beggars belief, the little jumpy Swan is lurching & twitching trying to balance a budget that we all know is getting bigger  & deeper than the Mariana Trench.


 


This tax is modelled to go up EVERY YEAR but the measly compensation the PM crowed about only lasts ONE year, THIS year.


 


The sooner this joke of a govt is cast out like a chamber pot full of .... the better & sooner we can heal this country.


 


The damage from the failed policies of this Lab govt is legion. It's going to take years to even dent the catastrophic damage & the mountain of debt & that's not even mentioning the loss of border control & the thousands of boat people sitting in the community on benefits & the black market employment making the criminals wealthy. That's another story, another failure.

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What an absolute disaster, no post from LL yet.


You have changed your avatar Nero to the same as LL ?


Keep it nice, I might cry if you write anything upsetting (like not)
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