Compulsory military service Whaddya reckon?

[nero_bolt]

She is an A grade bucket mouth and  nutter BUT does this idea of hers hold merit

Is it a  good idea or not

Me i like the idea

Lots of benefits would come from it and it would help a lot of unemployed youth get some experience, some training and even some pride in themselves

[fourandsixpants]

.....your poster quoting person on poster

"....you can put them in for 12 months, I'm not saying they sign on for war....."

**bleep** ?!!.....****BLEEP ?!!!!!!***    *** bleep bleep bleep ?!!!***?

.....so, when people sign up for military service they are signing up to go on picnics?

...............r-iiiiiiight. stupid me.

[i-need-a-martini]

Oh yeah great idea - NOT!

But good for money wasting I suppose. I recall when the Italians finally scrapped their mandatory army service they did an audit and found they still had 3,000 years worth of army clothes as surplus lol!

What a ridiculous idea.

[polksaladallie]

You don't get it, do you. 

It was very common in the late 1970s for all children to go to Grade 12.  Even children of poor single mothers.

From that time until the mid 90s, most of the medical students in Brisbane came from wealthy families.  They were chosen for their ability to pay and for their OP score only.  Other children had no hope.

That was my point, the med students had not been involved in ordinary life.  The criteria changed so that children from all walks of life could go into medicine after other studies.  That made them more rounded in their education and therefore hopefully make better doctors.

[*lady*godiva*]

Good Morning.

I think it is you that doesn't get it.

It may help if you research your "empirical" evidence and compare it to what I have written above.

So now we are discussing just Brisbane? in the mid 90's? What happened to the 100's of students spanning 17 years? And do you mean the Brisbane in Queensland Australia? The same Brisbane that had a 17%  peak of senior school completion by 1978? "Very common in the late 1970's" Common? That just isn't true

"They were chosen for their ability to pay" Why was their ability to pay for their university education from the late 70's, even a consideration? For nearly all of that time, University was FREE! I'd say there were other factors......

Thank you for taking the time to discuss this, but I'll leave it be for now as I see no point in discussing the topic with disregard to accuracy, truth, reality and fact.

[polksaladallie]

One of my children had free University education (although it was nowhere near free), but they did not do medicine or law.  There is no way that I could have afforded for them do do those degrees.  Only children of the wealthy could put their children through those degrees.  Plus many children from wealthy China residents.

I was there, and was in contact with hundreds of 6th year medical students, and my opinion has not changed from yesterday.  As I said in the beginning, they were not a cross section of students, most were the privileged elite.

Your problem if you do not know the facts.

[*lady*godiva*]

so now it is your OPINION based on one student in one university who wasn't even a medical student?

so no facts involved at all? No empirical evidence?

and what happened to "hundreds of students over 17 years"?

I have already covered why medical students were predominately from financially affluent backgrounds. That is not in dispute. I haven't looked at the statistics for the past 3 years, but I don't expect thay would have changed dramatically. The shift is happening, but not with any significant speed. It sometimes takes generations to change cultural "norms".

 FACTS " it is not the criteria for acceptance to medicne which has changed the type of student, it is the accessibility of that level of education."

[debra9275]

Whitlam, whilst ultimately misguided, did try to address this issue with the introduction of free university, but it made very little difference. All this policy did was provide free education to those who could afford to pay and would have gone anyway, the numbers of those excluded due to financial reasons did not increase by any significant amount. That's because the issue was that kids weren't finishing school with the required education to even apply to uni - and it was more likely that those from lower socioeconomic environments were those not finishing school/leaving early.

is there any proof of that anywhere or is that just your personal opinion?

[debra9275]

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@Anonymous wrote:

I didn't like it in 1972, my late hunny was called up.  Don't like the idea any better now.  The Government will say they won't send these young folk into battle, until they decide to suck up to America and put our people in harms way.  SSDD

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I was too young to be affected by it, but I've never forgotten the fear people had of being called up. Personally, I would hate to see us go backwards in time and have this reinstated

[fourandsixpants]

If they try or succeed to legislate for mandatory military service I will support people who refuse.

We are NOT living in the age where conscientious objectors would expect a white feather to be put in their letterbox or find same pasted to their door.

I am not about to support something that I am against. Whilst I respect a persons choice to serve their country in the Defence Forces I am totally against forced conscription of any kind, in any form, under any name.

This action would not best serve the majority of our precious youth.

No-one seems to understand or want to know the hellish reprecussions of serving in the military in a war zone.