on 20-04-2014 10:21 PM
As it's more than 100 days now, it has been suggested that a new thread was needed. The current govt has been breaking promises and telling lies at a rate so fast it's hard to keep up.
This below is worrying, "independent" pffft, as if your own doctor is somehow what? biased, it's ridiculous. So far there is talk of only including people under a certain age 30-35, for now. Remember that if your injured in a car, injured at work or get ill, you too might need to go on the DSP. They have done a similar think in the UK with devastating consequences.
and this is the 2nd time recently where the Govt has referred to work as welfare???? So when you go to work tomorrow (or tuesday), just remember that's welfare.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-20/disability-pensioners-may-be-reassessed-kevin-andrews/5400598
Independent doctors could be called in to reassess disability pensioners, Federal Government says
The Federal Government is considering using independent doctors to examine disability pensioners and assess whether they should continue to receive payments.
Currently family doctors provide reports supporting claims for the Disability Support Pension (DSP).
But Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews is considering a measure that would see independent doctors reassess eligibility.
"We are concerned that where people can work, the best form of welfare is work," Mr Andrews said at a press conference.
on 09-02-2015 11:03 AM
No, I think two things happened
Abbott was told to lessen her incfuence AND, as a result of that, he realised that she had to stay out of sight.
Tactical move which probably helped.
Now, as to whether he does curtail her influence, or perceived influence, we shall see.
Even if it is only a change in perception.
I gather she was a very good gate keeper, too good ???????
on 09-02-2015 11:05 AM
because murdoch ordered him to get rid of her??
Tony Abbott keeps leadership of Liberal Party but some supporters fear he is doomed
09-02-2015 11:35 AM - edited 09-02-2015 11:36 AM
@vicr3000 wrote:
No, I think two things happened
Abbott was told to lessen her incfuence AND, as a result of that, he realised that she had to stay out of sight.
Tactical move which probably helped.
Now, as to whether he does curtail her influence, or perceived influence, we shall see.
Even if it is only a change in perception.
I gather she was a very good gate keeper, too good ???????
I don't agree with your thoughts.
Nothing to do with being a good gate keeper, quite the opposite actually.
You think a change in perception would allay the reasons why backbenchers/MP's ( & Rupert!) want her gone?, you must be kidding.
on 09-02-2015 11:52 AM
@vicr3000 wrote:
am3
Sore loser who got it wrong, Big time.
Even you said he needed to win well and he did win well, FAR more than you expected.
The LEFT are the Canibals who eat their own and then still lose.
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Incorrect, I never did say that. If you want to make false statements, the least you could do is quote the posts you refer to so everyone can see if your 'opinion'/accusations are accurate.
Here are some posts that come to mind, where another poster & I were discussing the fact that the spill might not happen and the possible outcome if that happened.
1.
@am*3 wrote:
We are not speaking of Julia though are we!! ABBOTT is the PM right now...... there is no way any past political party is responsible for where he is right now.... he brought it all upon himself...
poddster wrote:What damage has been done if the spill motion does not go ahead?
am*3 wrote: Read a variety of news articles from different msm media outlets... its all spelt out in those .. whether a left bias or right bias ones.
How could it spell solidarity if 20, 30, 40 vote to have Abbott removed?
2.
@poddster wrote:
By the way 40 out of 102 does not a majority make
am*3
I know that, it was an example of potential disgruntled members... <40 - 51 votes against him.. not a majority but doesn't = loyalty, continuity either.
Abbott's situation is not a result of any past Govt... he is solely responsible for where he finds himself at present.
on 09-02-2015 12:01 PM
idle - have you not done exactly the same thing yourself?
Tony Abbott's removal as prime minister not a case of if but when
Tony Abbott's leadership has suffered a massive blow - inevitably one that will prove fatal to his leadership.
It is no longer a case of if but when.
A sizeable 39 per cent of his parliamentary team has declared it has no confidence in its leader, the country's Prime Minister.
The message to voters who were already walking away in droves is "you're right to go, he's not up to it".
But there's an even more damaging number to consider if you're Abbott. Assuming his 41-strong ministry and party whips held together and voted in favour of the leadership (as Abbott and his backers demanded they must by convention), then near enough to 60 per cent of his backbench has abandoned him.
And from that devastating reality, one can conclude that if ministers had been granted a genuinely free vote, Abbott would have already lost.
His confidence in the party room is shot to pieces.
This now, is a prime minister who leads in name only and governs with a sword of Damocles hanging over his head.
If he survives for any length of time, his fate will be determined by opinion polls to which he will be hostage. This is no way to formulate policy, and a natural enemy of reform.
Read more
How short sighted to crow so early, over the fact that only 39% of votes didn't back Abbott as Leader.
on 09-02-2015 12:06 PM
@debra9275 wrote:I wonder what's happened to Peta Credlin?, am so used to seeing her by TA's side, have not sighted her since before his National Press Club announcements
Another sticking point.
Tony Abbott won’t sacrifice Peta Credlin, Joe Hockey
9 Feb
KEY members of Tony Abbott’s team will stay in place despite pressure for dramatic change at the top of the federal government and rumours he will dump Joe Hockey and Peta Credlin to save his leadership.
Ms Credlin is being savaged by MPs who want her to step down so the government can set a new course, making her a lightning rod for criticism of Mr Abbott’s governing style and policy decisions.
Liberal MPs have said privately that one way for Mr Abbott to end doubts about his future was to overhaul his office and replace Ms Credlin, seen as the architect of a “command and control” approach to running the government.
The Australian
on 09-02-2015 12:42 PM
"I wonder what's happened to Peta Credlin?, am so used to seeing her by TA's side, have not sighted her since before his National Press Club announcements"
I would guess that perhaps they are trying to avoid a tawdry innuendo similar to this:
"Yes, she's had that twinkle in her eye all week. At first I thought it was because she was enjoying the attention/cat and mouse game with the press, not so sure now, perhaps there is more to it. Apparently she and Turnbull are very close friends."
09-02-2015 12:51 PM - edited 09-02-2015 12:52 PM
Your opinion only, mm. No one else here thought the same as you did about the post. There was no reason to think that post had any 'tawdry innuendo' in it.
Turnbull & Bishop are close friends.
If you read several posts back before that one, you will see other posters (myself included) mentioned a twinkle in Julie B's eye... all related to leadership challenges.. maybe she was looking forward to having a new leader, maybe not? We did notice there was a sparkle in her eyes when she spoke about Leadership challenges...
No one poster has given the impression with the eye talk that it related to anything other than political matters.
With Peta C, she may have been directed to lay low until after the meeting this morning... we will have to wait and see about that.
on 09-02-2015 12:52 PM
Murdoch said Peta Credlin had to go
and it's common knowledge that Bishop and Turnbull have been close friends for many years. i suggest you do some research on it. the only innuendo about their friendship is all in your mind
on 09-02-2015 12:53 PM
@monman12 wrote:"I wonder what's happened to Peta Credlin?, am so used to seeing her by TA's side, have not sighted her since before his National Press Club announcements"
I would guess that perhaps they are trying to avoid a tawdry innuendo similar to this:
"Yes, she's had that twinkle in her eye all week. At first I thought it was because she was enjoying the attention/cat and mouse game with the press, not so sure now, perhaps there is more to it. Apparently she and Turnbull are very close friends."
It's not tawdry. It was leadership speculation and the possibility of ridding themselves of a PM who can't win in the polls compared to one who is popular with the electorate. The PM is an embarrassment for them both. It's no wonder she had a twinkle in her eyes. The PM has treated her poorly.