Direct action may succeed where carbontax fails

silverfaun
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An interesting piece that debunks all the hysteria around Tax Or Direct Action by someone who knows about it rather than those with a political agenda to push. 

 

 

Direct action may succeed where tax fails

 

TWO years ago, in my book Clean Energy, Climate and Carbon, I posed the question: "Will putting a price on carbon drive deployment of clean energy technologies?

 

My answer then was: "Probably no, unless the price is much higher than that proposed by Australia or by most other countries."

 

Two years on, the experience in Australia, Europe and North America has reinforced that view.In Europe, the emissions trading scheme provided some companies with the opportunity to use their allocation of free carbon credits to profit by carbon gaming and might have resulted in a modest level of uptake of gas in lieu of coal, but there is no evidence that it has produced any significant decrease in emissions.

 

In Australia, any decrease in emissions because of wind and solar has had nothing whatsoever to do with a carbon tax and everything to do with the renewable energy target scheme.

 

Although the National Greenhouse and Energy Report for 2012-13 has yet to be released, recent statements suggest that any decrease in emissions attributable to the carbon tax is minute, but it will be interesting to see the actual data.

 

In the US, there has been a significant drop in emissions, not because of a price on carbon, for there is no nationwide price on carbon (there are some state schemes), but because of a decrease in manufacturing activity and particularly because of the widespread switch from coal to cleaner and cheaper shale gas: a good example of how a new technology can decrease emissions.

Those with an unshakeable faith in the market will still claim that a price on carbon is the most effective way of developing and deploying clean energy technologies.

 

The flaw in that philosophy is that for a market to work, there has to be real choice and a clear basis for making that choice now.

But there is no level playing field for determining the real cost of many existing, let alone future, technologies, for many quoted costs are distorted by subsidies, regulations or mandated targets focused on particular technologies.

The excellent 2011 report of the Productivity Commission on Carbon Emission Policies in Key Economies is one of the few studies that does attempt to get at the real cost of a range of technologies.

 

The costs of some quite widely deployed technologies, such as solar, are staggeringly high and certainly far more than any carbon price.

 

The future cost of clean energy technologies still under development but crucial to decreasing emissions is, of course, even more uncertain, which is why research is needed.

 

But a price on carbon, whether a carbon tax or an ETS, does not encourage the long-term R&D needed to take forward some of the critical large-scale mitigation options, such as geothermal or solar thermal or carbon capture and storage.

 

A price on carbon or a carbon tax could be used to directly support the research needed to develop and deploy emission-reducing technologies, and that would perhaps provide a stronger case for a carbon price. But the reality is that no such linkage was established under Labor's carbon pollution reduction scheme, which was targeted at broader budgetary issues and at social engineering rather than what its target should have been, namely clean energy engineering.

 

Without a clear and strong policy linking a carbon price to clean energy technology development, there is no meaningful emission-reduction policy, just another speculative market in the case of an ETS or just another tax.

 

It could be argued that an ETS could, of course, provide scope for purchasing cheap overseas carbon credits.

Many of the players who brought you the global financial crisis would be happy to assist, no doubt using ever more exotic and complex financial instruments, this time based not on real estate but on carbon.

 

A price on carbon does not and will not reduce emissions until some of the key technologies are further advanced and fully costed, and until the carbon price is much higher than any government is willing to contemplate at present.

That leads us to the alternative of direct action.

 

Critics will argue that there is no clear definition of what direct action involves, and that may be so. But there is a different view, namely that this present lack of definition provides the opportunity to help to define what it should be. In fact direct action has been in place for several years in Australia and other countries.

 

For example, having a renewable energy target clearly constitutes direct action that has directly encouraged (and, in effect, subsidised) the uptake of particular technologies, primarily wind and solar.

So what would be needed to make a success of direct action?

In summary, getting rid of the carbon tax is the right thing to do at this time.

It has proved ineffective as a mechanism for decreasing emissions.

 

Direct action may well be more effective.

 

Peter J. Cook is a professorial fellow at the University of Melbourne. He is a former chief executive of the Co-operative Research Centre for Greenhouse Gas Technologies and an Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change co-ordinating lead author.

 

 

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@silverfaun wrote:

There has been no positive outcome from the carbon tax no reductions in the temperature of the planet. All the carbon tax has done is hurt Australian business, drive power prices through the roof & sent many small time businesses to the wall.

 

All for what may I ask?? no reduction in the climate of the Planet. 

 

One bushfire season in Australia negates all the efforts put into schemes & the billions wasted on taxes,  is all for nothing.


 

So we'll expect temperatures to drop as a result of Direct Action when?
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@silverfaun wrote:

There has been no positive outcome from the carbon tax no reductions in the temperature of the planet. All the carbon tax has done is hurt Australian business, drive power prices through the roof & sent many small time businesses to the wall.

 

All for what may I ask?? no reduction in the climate of the Planet. 

 

One bushfire season in Australia negates all the efforts put into schemes & the billions wasted on taxes,  is all for nothing.


 The 'carbon tax' drove power prices through the roof did it ? 

 

 

 

17 May 2013, 4.33pm AEST

Fact check: will scrapping the carbon price lower electricity prices?

 

The Australian Energy Market Commission issued a report in March analysing trends in electricity prices and their components. One component is wholesale costs, which increased 14% over 2011-2012 to 2012-2013, the period in which the carbon price was introduced.

 

However wholesale costs only account for around 37% of retail electricity prices.

Other major components of retail prices are transmission costs, distribution costs (“poles and wires”), and retail costs (which include costs like the Renewable Energy Target).

 

Over the same period transmission costs went up 27%, distribution by 11% and retail costs by 17%.

These components are independent of the carbon price, and account for the majority of hikes in retail electricity prices.

 

It’s worth remembering too that even without the carbon price, electricity prices are predicted to rise. Climate Change Authority research suggests that without the carbon price, the rise would with be slightly smaller, with retail electricity prices just 6% lower.

 

 

https://theconversation.com/fact-check-will-scrapping-the-carbon-price-lower-electricity-prices-1440...

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drive power prices through the roof & sent many small time businesses to the wall.

 


More spin, if you believe this propaganda you are being conned.

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Tony Abbott suggested a Carbon Tax as an alternative to the ALP's proposed emissions trading scheme, back in July 2009. He has also shown denial of the impacts of climate change (despite 97% of the scientific community agreeing that the effects of climate change are absolutely real and measurable).

 

Tony Abbott quotes:

"The role of CO2 is not nearly as clear as the climate catastrophists would suggest."

"I also think that if you want to put a price on carbon, why not just do it with a simple tax? Why not ask motorists to pay more, why not ask electricity consumers to pay more and then at the end of the year you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate of the carbon tax you've paid.”

 

and Prime Minister Tony Abbott has acknowledged 

quote: What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing is that if they get it done commercially it’s going to go up in price and their own power bills when they switch the iron on are going to go up.”

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Shouldn't there be gaps after every 3 words in Tone's quotes?
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@spotweldersfriend wrote:
If anything's criminal it'll be the billions of taxpayer dollars handed out without any positive outcomes.The carbon tax has been such a burden yet Australians managed to hand over $30 billion in shopping over the Christmas. period.

 You know that was the $550 christmas present that abbott promised to each of us.  He said he would, and so we spent it.

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The only thing thats going to work is a new technology to produce energy and that will require global funding and research, and that will probably never occour because the US will want to control it.

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What does the fact that emissions of CO2 are not going to be as high as originally projected have to do with TA's "direct action"?  Absolutely nothing, although it may help him look good in eyes of the uninformed.  The fact remaines that if a trading scheme was left in place & there would be more support for renewable power, the reduction would be better.

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@silverfaun wrote:

 

One bushfire season in Australia negates all the efforts put into schemes & the billions wasted on taxes,  is all for nothing.


That is not how it works.  Bushfires add to what ever else we do; it is the total that matters.  And you are right, what ever little reduction we managed has not had impact, how could it?   We are still adding CO2 to the atmosphere faster than it is absorbed; only if the equilibrium is restored we may actually see some effect, but for that to happen we really need to invest properly in alternative sources of energy.

 

Not to mention that money paid in taxes is money that goes to pay for our infrastructure & services.

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@lakeland27 wrote:

only mad persons or blind partisan types would actively work to prevent the only thing proven to work so far


LABOR'S $6 billion carbon tax reduced Australia's greenhouse gas emissions by less than 0.1 per cent.

 

The official register of Australia's greenhouse gas emissions will reveal that in the financial year before the carbon tax was introduced Australia produced 546.2 million tonnes of emissions. After the carbon tax was introduced, the emissions dropped to just 545.9 million tonnes. 

From Here

 

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