@4channel wrote:With the exception of Carter and possibly Nixon, II believe every president since Kennedy has been a thug. Oh, maybe Reagan. He was just a drone controlled by Bush, Snr..
I do believe there is a lot of corruption in business and politics in USA (and probably here too and it's much, much worse in many 3rd world countries) but I sort of hope that not every president has been corrupt. I do think a lot of people who enter politics do so with good intentions, they want to make a difference. To get to top spot, they have to have a bit of a killer instinct in them to some extent but that isn't the same as being corrupt.All the admins have been bad. The nefarious dealings involving the Clinton and Bush dynasty are mind blowing. Have a look at The Clinton Chronicles . I caught the end of it on ABC or SBS years ago. Nichols the narrator of the film was a man of integrity even though he mistakenly thought Trump was good.
Trump is right about the corruption but I believe he is part of it too. Well, before the Corona virus was even a glint in the eye of where ever it came from Trump's promises proved to be empty. I saw a doc about working class people struggling ti get medication such as diabetic medication. One woman died and another could only take it every second day or someone. That was an empty promise that he would fix that. Politicians lie and one of the requirements that one must have to be prez is to be good at it. I believe this is why Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders were not in the race. Paul and Sanders have standards!
It is concerning when someone who needs something as basic as diabetic medication is struggling to afford it. Their health system is very different to ours.
I also believe you when you say some politicians can be squeezed out of the system.
If you're talking about Floyd, I don't know if he was a thug. I think there's more to the story than we've been told. I did read that Floyd and Chauvin his killer worked at the same night club. It was a brutal killing, a murder nonetheless. So has this been exploited for another agenda and has the pain of African Americans been exploited by people with an agenda other than one BLM mov't appears to represent? YES! African Americans can endure treatment not unlike Gypsy and Jew endured during the early Nazi Germany period being stopped, frisked, checked, pushed around etc... But this mov't does not have the cred or spirit that Martin Luther King's mov't had.
The reason I tought Floyd was a thug was because I read he was involved in a home invasion where he held a gun at a pregant woman's stomach and threatened her. So much for 'lives matter'. From all accounts, this man had a long history of lawlessness. I am not saying he should have died as he did, just that he was no hero and society might even be better off without him.To me, what needs an overhaul is police training. It's hard, because there seem to be a lot of incidents of police over there shooting people, but my guess is the police are more nervous there because so many civilians are armed or could be. It's a possibility here too, but not to the same extent.
I don't believe every movement for change has to achieve it with violence. I think there are usually other ways.
People do have to take responsibility and they need to be educated about this.
Walter Williams below does have some goood points.
Walter Williams: Suffer No Fools - Full Video592,710 views•Dec 30, 201583.7K subscribers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZGvQcxoAPgI haven't watched it yet but this talk of the welfare state is something I struggle with. I don't think it is a race issue as such. I think it has to do with generational poverty. Some families here get caught up in what I would call a welfare trap.
But I also believe there is such a thing as the working poor; people who do work hard but on minimal wages, struggle to make ends meet. Others may have mental or physical issues that make it harder for them to hold down a job.
Somewhere along the line we have to find a happy medium. We do need welfare, the poor with diabetes will need subsidised medication, for example. I do also think there is a case to be made for minimum wages. i worked in an industry where there was talk of the wage structure changing to where people had to go for a yearly interview to negotiate their wage.
This sounded okay to some but I don't trust it as not everyone is a great talker. There is never a bottomless pit of money in any organisation so if those with the gift of the gab get the biggest share then those (who may be just as good at their job) may well end up getting less.
To me, if two people are doing the same job, they should get the same pay and it isn't unreasonable to expect a basic wage.
So I probably would not agree with everything Walter Williams says.
@springyzone wrote:
@4channel wrote:With the exception of Carter and possibly Nixon, II believe every president since Kennedy has been a thug. Oh, maybe Reagan. He was just a drone controlled by Bush, Snr..
I do believe there is a lot of corruption in business and politics in USA (and probably here too and it's much, much worse in many 3rd world countries) but I sort of hope that not every president has been corrupt. I do think a lot of people who enter politics do so with good intentions, they want to make a difference. To get to top spot, they have to have a bit of a killer instinct in them to some extent but that isn't the same as being corrupt.All the admins have been bad. The nefarious dealings involving the Clinton and Bush dynasty are mind blowing. Have a look at The Clinton Chronicles . I caught the end of it on ABC or SBS years ago. Nichols the narrator of the film was a man of integrity even though he mistakenly thought Trump was good.
Trump is right about the corruption but I believe he is part of it too. Well, before the Corona virus was even a glint in the eye of where ever it came from Trump's promises proved to be empty. I saw a doc about working class people struggling ti get medication such as diabetic medication. One woman died and another could only take it every second day or someone. That was an empty promise that he would fix that. Politicians lie and one of the requirements that one must have to be prez is to be good at it. I believe this is why Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders were not in the race. Paul and Sanders have standards!
It is concerning when someone who needs something as basic as diabetic medication is struggling to afford it. Their health system is very different to ours.
I also believe you when you say some politicians can be squeezed out of the system.
If you're talking about Floyd, I don't know if he was a thug. I think there's more to the story than we've been told. I did read that Floyd and Chauvin his killer worked at the same night club. It was a brutal killing, a murder nonetheless. So has this been exploited for another agenda and has the pain of African Americans been exploited by people with an agenda other than one BLM mov't appears to represent? YES! African Americans can endure treatment not unlike Gypsy and Jew endured during the early Nazi Germany period being stopped, frisked, checked, pushed around etc... But this mov't does not have the cred or spirit that Martin Luther King's mov't had.
The reason I tought Floyd was a thug was because I read he was involved in a home invasion where he held a gun at a pregant woman's stomach and threatened her. So much for 'lives matter'. From all accounts, this man had a long history of lawlessness. I am not saying he should have died as he did, just that he was no hero and society might even be better off without him.To me, what needs an overhaul is police training. It's hard, because there seem to be a lot of incidents of police over there shooting people, but my guess is the police are more nervous there because so many civilians are armed or could be. It's a possibility here too, but not to the same extent.
I don't believe every movement for change has to achieve it with violence. I think there are usually other ways.
People do have to take responsibility and they need to be educated about this.
Walter Williams below does have some goood points.
Walter Williams: Suffer No Fools - Full Video592,710 views•Dec 30, 201583.7K subscribers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZGvQcxoAPgI haven't watched it yet but this talk of the welfare state is something I struggle with. I don't think it is a race issue as such. I think it has to do with generational poverty. Some families here get caught up in what I would call a welfare trap.
But I also believe there is such a thing as the working poor; people who do work hard but on minimal wages, struggle to make ends meet. Others may have mental or physical issues that make it harder for them to hold down a job.
Somewhere along the line we have to find a happy medium. We do need welfare, the poor with diabetes will need subsidised medication, for example. I do also think there is a case to be made for minimum wages. i worked in an industry where there was talk of the wage structure changing to where people had to go for a yearly interview to negotiate their wage.
This sounded okay to some but I don't trust it as not everyone is a great talker. There is never a bottomless pit of money in any organisation so if those with the gift of the gab get the biggest share then those (who may be just as good at their job) may well end up getting less.
To me, if two people are doing the same job, they should get the same pay and it isn't unreasonable to expect a basic wage.
So I probably would not agree with everything Walter Williams says.
Well it might be said...
If it was a true unfettered market economy the workers would be paying the employers for their labour - the closest to the free market economy in the modern western sphere was during the UK/US slave labour era, whereby a portion of the labour market traded pending death for free labour
A suppressed single wage worker on minimum wage is an inefficient worker, and a hapless welfare drone grossly under the poverty line is an unmotivated person relative to requirements of the labour force , and worse as time goes by as that person sinks into a sedentary adapted lifestyle - content with dimly perceived sense of nobility that maybe some of his children might do better and pride that keeps on the right side of the law , indulging in only unenforced victimless vice recreations , safe and snug within social community peers within the protection of the class system - rehabilitation, that being empowered & supported to progress , becomes not only problematic but counter-society as Govt & Community development programs are so risk aversion that is by design failure centric
The issue of the poor is not that they are poor but that feasible achievable economic private progress is deliberately denied by the system that is configured for a degree of wastage
Below David Clayton Thomas of Blood Sweat & Tears fame sings a song about DT.
Vocal: David Clayton-ThomasBass: George KollerPiano, Organ: Lou PomantiGuitars: Eric St-LaurentDrums: Ben WittmanBacking Vocals: Amoy Levy, Ciceal Levy, Omar LunanProduced By David Clayton-Thomas, and George Koller
Video Directed By Ronak Shah
Video Produced By Joel Goldberg
Engineer/Mixer: Bernardo Francisco Cisternas
Assistant Engineer: Chihiro Nagamatsu
I hope he'll do one for Clinton as well.
Biden too.
