Equlity. Good thing or not?

[poddster]

This is a simple poll (or is it );-)B-)]:)

The question is:-

Should all people be equal?

Give ita bit of thought before you answer.

If you answer Yes

Why did you answer in the affirmative?

Describe the :"equal" person that everyone should modeled on

If you answer No

Why did you answer in he negative?

[izabsmiling]

Crikey Mate, Gender issues fall into the equality category as far as I am concerned. Like all forms of discrimination inequality of the sexes should never have existed.Things are getting closer to where they should be . 

[*crikey*mate*]

Excuse me Iza,

I have answered many questions that you have asked me, yet you seem to be avoiding the only question I have asked you.

I asked you, to which theory/theorist of Feminism do you ascribe, as you assured me a long way back now that you knew what Feminism was etc, and I was just interested in understanding your interpretation of it so that I may be able to make sense of some of your posts.

P.S. - It's time to let the BMW thing go - it was in response to another poster on another thread - I never bought it into that thread or this thread. So, put the stick down - the horse is dead.

She must have missed it again!

[izabsmiling]

To me, they're not seperate arguments. I don't believe that I should be equal to someone who, "given" the same opportunities as myself, does more with those opportunities. I believe that if they work harder, make more sacrifices, or just in general do more than I did - than whilst I may Covet what they have - I simply could never begrudge them of that.

It's irrelevant what worth you personally  perceive others to have 

It matters that they have equal opportunities.

It would be a problem if your own personal perception and judgement of their worth prevented someone else from  having the same opportunities and rights as you

[the_great_she_elephant]

In your world of an equal society how could differing tasks exist?

Would we be all wordsmiths, solicitors, doctors, tilers, plumers, polititians, or garbage removalists?

What task would be considered equal by society?  

Your OP specifically refers to people, Poddy,  not jobs.

If having different occupations makes us unequal as human beings, then given that I am an author and you (well I don't know what you do, but whatever it is I'm sure you do it equally as well as I write books) does that make you superior to me or me superior to you?

Or to put it in more general terms, who is the more valuable member of society - the guy who flushes out your toilet system when it blocks, the doctor who prescribes laxatives for you if you are constipated or the chemist who dispenses the prescription?

[*crikey*mate*]

From an economic and academic viewpoint - I just don't believe that equality "should" exist - call me an ascriber to Functionalism if you like, but on a localized level I believe in a meritocratic system where those who make the effort reap the rewards.

Do you not think it right that all children have an equal opportunity to have an education ...regardless of their gender, religion, physical/intellectual ability ? 

Going by your  logic that equality would involve holding some people back from achieving who has suffered as a result of girls being able to stay in school longer and all children having the opportunity and the right to an education ? In this country that equal opportunity has existed for some time. Hasn't that benefited more people rather than disadvantaged the advantaged ? 

Has giving more children the opportunity somehow taken some mind of 'imagined' superiority away from some people ?

Once again, you have taken my post out of context and only selected one part without giving reference to what came before it.

For your first paragraph, you already know my views on that as I have spoken here already on many occasions about my efforts to enable children - regardless of culture, race or disability to have access to an equal and just education.

As for the rest of your post - YOUR logic eludes me.

And why won't you answer the only question that I asked you? Why won't you substantiate your comments about Feminism?

[izabsmiling]

For your first paragraph, you already know my views on that as I have spoken here already on many occasions about my efforts to enable children - regardless of culture, race or disability to have access to an equal and just education.

and yet you said (which was what I replied to)

From an economic and academic viewpoint - I just don't believe that equality "should" exist - call me an ascriber to Functionalism if you like, but on a localized level I believe in a meritocratic system where those who make the effort reap the rewards

I agree with the Australian Values which I added earlier which Immigrants to our Country sign 

[izabsmiling]

as well as the full article in an earlier link Equality is not sameness .

We are moving towards equality ? Who has it harmed ?

[newstart2380]

of course they should. Mr abbott might not think so, but pffftt to him .

Hey LL I think you spelled pffftt wrong, you left out an F. Why do you bring politics into every conversation here, this was not a thread on either party just about equality.

Surely you have more to talk about than politics and who did what and who said what and who did what to who. You need to broaden your horizons and research other subjects.

[*crikey*mate*]

In your world of an equal society how could differing tasks exist?

Would we be all wordsmiths, solicitors, doctors, tilers, plumers, polititians, or garbage removalists?

What task would be considered equal by society?  

Your OP specifically refers to people, Poddy,  not jobs.

If having different occupations makes us unequal as human beings, then given that I am an author and you (well I don't know what you do, but whatever it is I'm sure you do it equally as well as I write books) does that make you superior to me or me superior to you?

Or to put it in more general terms, who is the more valuable member of society - the guy who flushes out your toilet system when it blocks, the doctor who prescribes laxatives for you if you are constipated or the chemist who dispenses the prescription?

Hi She Ele - I'm trying to discuss - not argue your views - you're giving me a lot to think about.

In most economies, different jobs command a different pay structure. And even within the same job/industry there are differing pay structures.

I don't think it's the job that makes people unequal - every job is of equal importance for a community to operate effectively, but those pay structures certainly do create substantial economical inequalities which have a flow on effect of what opportunities a person has access to.

Personally I think that anyone prepared to be a plumber and keep my sewer system working should be paid a whole lot more money than say a waiter or a checkout operator for example.

I do think that jobs accessible by university education should attract a higher pay structure than those that don't, simply because a person has to pay for their university education, whereas jobs like apprenticeships or sales assistants etc are generally on the job training, so you do get paid whilst gaining your qualifications.

If there weren't differing pay structures, I would guess that particular jobs wouldn't attract the people to perform those tasks. And I think we have established that EVERY position is essential for the efficiency of a community.

[lakeland27]

if you dont think poddy or crikey is spouting a political message newstart you've definitely missed something .