Evolution - Yes again.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

Can someone please read this information, and Yes, it's a creationist site, but it explains the  life-from-nothing / evolution theory and how it is flawed..

I understand most of what he is saying, and the arguments seem very logical to me, but, I have no way of knowing whether the Science he is quoting is correct or has subsequently been debunked.

I would appreciate if someone with a bit more knowledge in DNA / RNA / proteins / cell regeneration / cell division etc could advise me.

By the way, he also quotes Dawkin's Ancestor's Tale and how, with recent developments at least some of the assumptions that Dawkins makes are impossible.

Can we PLEASE see if we can keep this thread civil and on-topic.

There is a lot more info on this site too, but first can we look at and discuss:

http://creation.com/genetic-code-intelligence

http://creation.com/meta-information

[poddster]

REB, instead if wading through a lot of science and debunking.

How about we use some logic.

What is the alternative to the creation theory.

Creationists claim that  new species cant just happen , even over millions of years of gradual change, yet they would have us believe that it did happen in just 6 days all out of nothing. The universe was created in the flutter of an eyelid, Bingo!! I dub thee sir Universe.

This deity the almighty, according to the believers, always was and always will be, no proof just faith. Pretty neat cop out huh?

Now what about the reason for the vastness of the Universe what purpose does it serve mankind, is it a demonstration of the majestic power of the creator. I the creator wanted to be admired all that had to be done is add that to the faith implanted in mankind.

Blind faith like blind ANYTHING is just senseless stumbling around in the dark.

[nevynreally]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

Can someone please read this information, and Yes, it's a creationist site, but it explains the  life-from-nothing / evolution theory and how it is flawed..

I understand most of what he is saying, and the arguments seem very logical to me, but, I have no way of knowing whether the Science he is quoting is correct or has subsequently been debunked.

I would appreciate if someone with a bit more knowledge in DNA / RNA / proteins / cell regeneration / cell division etc could advise me.

By the way, he also quotes Dawkin's Ancestor's Tale and how, with recent developments at least some of the assumptions that Dawkins makes are impossible.

Can we PLEASE see if we can keep this thread civil and on-topic.

There is a lot more info on this site too, but first can we look at and discuss:

http://creation.com/genetic-code-intelligence

http://creation.com/meta-information

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I have a spare torch, want one?

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@poddster wrote:

REB, instead if wading through a lot of science and debunking.

How about we use some logic.

What is the alternative to the creation theory.

Creationists claim that  new species cant just happen , even over millions of years of gradual change, yet they would have us believe that it did happen in just 6 days all out of nothing. The universe was created in the flutter of an eyelid, Bingo!! I dub thee sir Universe.

This deity the almighty, according to the believers, always was and always will be, no proof just faith. Pretty neat cop out huh?

Now what about the reason for the vastness of the Universe what purpose does it serve mankind, is it a demonstration of the majestic power of the creator. I the creator wanted to be admired all that had to be done is add that to the faith implanted in mankind.

Blind faith like blind ANYTHING is just senseless stumbling around in the dark.

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Did you at least read some of the science from this site? No, I didn't think anyone would. You all say that I am closed minded - I was asked to read Origin - I did, but when I ask someone to read two pages, you can only come up with those tired old chestnuts?'.

And, No, I don't believe the universe was created in just 6 literal days. It has been millions of years since the dinosaurs, it takes thousands of years for the light from the Nebula to reach earth. So, please don't group me in with the Creationists and their literal 6 days of creation. I don't doubt for one moment that God COULD do anything that He wishes, but I know that He does not work that way, otherwise He would have made the whole Earth a garden and created 6 or 7 billion perfect people. That wasn't His goal.

If anyone would like to conduct an OPEN-MINDED discussion on this, I would be very happy to do so, but I would prefer to NOT be dismissed as you have tried to do above. PEACE.

As far as the vastness of the Universe goes, I don't claim to know it's purpose or God's intent for it.

[poddster]

OK then lets take small steps at a time.

Can you concede that humans have changed since Neanderthals walked the Earth?

[the_bob_delusion]

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@poddster wrote:

OK then lets take small steps at a time.

Can you concede that humans have changed since Neanderthals walked the Earth?

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Can you also acknowledge that evolution is accepted by well over 99% of all scientists around the world, regardless of their religion, race, gender etc etc. Do you have a good reason to suspect there's a conspiracy against evolution? If only Atheists accept evolution then I would be suspect.

Do you think scientist just accept something based on no evidence?

What evidence could I possibly provide to someone who doesn't value evidence?

[curmu-curmu]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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 I don't doubt for one moment that God COULD do anything that He wishes, but I know that He does not work that way, otherwise He would have made the whole Earth a garden and created 6 or 7 billion perfect people. That wasn't His goal.

If anyone would like to conduct an OPEN-MINDED discussion on this, I would be very happy to do so, but I would prefer to NOT be dismissed as you have tried to do above. PEACE.

As far as the vastness of the Universe goes, I don't claim to know it's purpose or God's intent for it.

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Bit hard to conduct an open-minded discussion, REB - particularly when you've already admitted your preconceived notion that your god exists!

And as a theist, are you aware that challenging your god, or questioning his motives, or claiming to know his plans, is considered an act of blasphemy?

See Isaiah 55:8-9, or 1 Corinthians 2:16.

It's funny how theists will on one hand, state that 'no one can know the mind of god', then in the next breath, state something like 'but I know that he does not work in that way'.

Seems a bit hypocritical, doesn't it?

Oh, and BTW - both pages you gave are failing to load.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

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@poddster wrote:

OK then lets take small steps at a time.

Can you concede that humans have changed since Neanderthals walked the Earth?

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Can you also acknowledge that evolution is accepted by well over 99% of all scientists around the world, regardless of their religion, race, gender etc etc.  It depends what we mean by evolution, doesn't it? As I have said MANY times on here, I accept that things have changed - ie a progenitor of elephants - mammoth - elephants have evolved into 2 separate species - of elephants. I DO NOT accept that a mammoth has also evolved into something totally different.

Do you have a good reason to suspect there's a conspiracy against evolution? Do you suspect there is a conspiracy again Creation? If only Atheists accept evolution then I would be suspect. 

Do you think scientist just accept something based on no evidence? Have you read the link I put up? As far as I can see, it clearly shows that LIFE cannot be formed without the necessary SCIENCE ie combination of Amino Acids, in the right combination at the same moment in time.

What evidence could I possibly provide to someone who doesn't value evidence? I value evidence - that's why I KEEP asking for some.

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[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@curmu-curmu wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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 I don't doubt for one moment that God COULD do anything that He wishes, but I know that He does not work that way, otherwise He would have made the whole Earth a garden and created 6 or 7 billion perfect people. That wasn't His goal.

If anyone would like to conduct an OPEN-MINDED discussion on this, I would be very happy to do so, but I would prefer to NOT be dismissed as you have tried to do above. PEACE.

As far as the vastness of the Universe goes, I don't claim to know it's purpose or God's intent for it.

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Bit hard to conduct an open-minded discussion, REB - particularly when you've already admitted your preconceived notion that your god exists! On that subject, one could say that you have accepted your preconceived notion that God does not exist. Sp where do we go from here? Why can't we BOTH leave our preconceived notions aside and look at the evidence.

And as a theist, are you aware that challenging your god, or questioning his motives, or claiming to know his plans, is considered an act of blasphemy?

See Isaiah 55:8-9, or 1 Corinthians 2:16. Yes, I am, but where did I challenge or question his motives?

It's funny how theists will on one hand, state that 'no one can know the mind of god', then in the next breath, state something like 'but I know that he does not work in that way'. I should have said, by all the available evidence (Yes, from the Bible) it's obvious that God does NOT TAKE SHORTCUTS - He has a plan and NOTHING WILL CHANGE THE EVENTUAL OUTCOME.

Seems a bit hypocritical, doesn't it?

Oh, and BTW - both pages you gave are failing to load.

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[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@poddster wrote:

OK then lets take small steps at a time.

Can you concede that humans have changed since Neanderthals walked the Earth?

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I will quote a site that puts it better than I can.

"Neanderthals were a human race, a fact which is admitted by almost everybody today. Evolutionists have tried very hard to present them as a "primitive species", yet all the findings indicate that they were no different from a "robust" man walking on the street today. A prominent authority on the subject, Erik Trinkaus, a paleoanthropologist from New Mexico University writes:

Detailed comparisons of Neanderthal skeletal remains with those of modern humans have shown that there is nothing in Neanderthal anatomy that conclusively indicates locomotor, manipulative, intellectual, or linguistic abilities inferior to those of modern humans."

{edit: Surely, the accepted fact that Neanderthals mated with Homo Sapiens should mean that they were the same species, just a different RACE of human.}