Excusing the slaughter Its all our Fault

[nero_bolt]

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Hizb ut-Tahrir refuses to criticise Muslim terrorists who slaughter other Muslims, massacre infidels, traffic in women and behead journalists and aid workers:

Emma Alberici confronts this head case.

The interview is quite revealing. Apparently its all our fault again. In typical fashion its all about our countrys desire to assist the barbarians out of ...the stone age.

Its ok for IS to butcher their own kind but its not ok for us to stand in the middle of the religious factions to seek peace between the warring tribes.

The quicker these fruit loops are chucked out of Australia the better.

Poor Emma Alberici couldnt get a word in with this hate filled person... and he was born here and lives in our society yet hates us and everything we stand for 

Take 10 minutes and watch this interview from Lateline last night... its an eye opener...

Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Broadcast: 08/10/2014

Reporter: Emma Alberici

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4103227.htm

[icyfroth]

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@punch*drunk wrote:

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

Why doesn't anyone ever ask the questions; If Saddam Hussein was still alive and leading Iraq would IS have the power that they have today? Also If America hadn't invaded Iraq back in 2003 would IS be as dominant as they are today? (Taking into account that the whole Iraq invasion was based on lies...)  

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What would be the point of hypothetical questions when there are current ongoing concerns that she was interviewing him about.

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Secondhand-wonderland is asking the real questions that everyone is avoiding like the elephant in the lounge room.

[karliandjacko]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@punch*drunk wrote:

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

Why doesn't anyone ever ask the questions; If Saddam Hussein was still alive and leading Iraq would IS have the power that they have today? Also If America hadn't invaded Iraq back in 2003 would IS be as dominant as they are today? (Taking into account that the whole Iraq invasion was based on lies...)  

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What would be the point of hypothetical questions when there are current ongoing concerns that she was interviewing him about.

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Secondhand-wonderland is asking the real questions that everyone is avoiding like the elephant in the lounge room.

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Yes, she is. I've seen it asked but not seen it answered very well. 

I seemed like that's what he wanted to go to last night but didn't go aout it very well.  There's no denying the reasons for going into Iraq were based on lies.  Who knows what would have been if Saddam was still there.  These middle eastern countries need to get with the times and stop killing their own, one way or another. If only it was that easy.

[boris1gary]

This is so sickening, as for "getting with the times" as posted somewhere above - pot kettle - as some of us babble about our so called moral superiority, we were part of this and now we will be doing it again

By most scholarly measure, Bush and Blair’s invasion of Iraq in 2003 led to the deaths of some 700,000 people — in a country that had no history of jihadism. The Kurds had done territorial and political deals, Sunni and Shia had class and sectarian differences, but they were at peace; intermarriage was common.

Dozens of anti-Muslim attacks as Islamic leaders warn of community fear

There have been at least 30 attacks on Muslims – mainly against women wearing the hijab – in the three weeks since the police anti-terror raids and threats by Islamic State put relations between the Islamic community and mainstream Australia on edge.

Ertunc Ozen, chief executive of the Australian Turkish Advocacy Alliance, said the focus on the attire worn by Muslim women was doing the work of the Islamic State by "telling our youth that they do not belong in this country and they never will"

It was also being used by "the more extreme elements in the broader Australian community who actually feel that Muslim people and Muslim thought are totally incompatible with the Australian way of life", he said.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/dozens-of-antimuslim-attacks-as-islamic-leaders-warn-of-community-fea...

[katydidthat]

I think, for me, that the interview might have been the start of a debate Australia has to have.

When should we, and under what circumstances, deploy the men and women of our ADF in another country?

What were we doing in Iraq and Afghanistan?

What GOOD did we do?

And, what HARM did we do?

What are we doing in the Middle East now?

[punch*drunk]

On reflection, Alberici said she hated that she didn't get the chance to ask this question:

"In his caliphate, in his ideal Islamic state would I, as a woman, have the opportunity to sit opposite him as an equal and engage in a robust discussion about these issues on the public broadcaster? I don't think he would have answered," she told Fairfax Media.

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/lateline-host-emma-albericis-only-regret-over-hizb-...

I think its unlikely she'd have got an answer for that either.

I think to balance the scales a little she should probably now interview a muslim with slightly less radical views, but I dont think the media are interested in promoting a better side of Islam.

[village_person]

I think we should step back, draw a breath and repeat at least 10 times:

Islam is a religion of peace.

Who feels better now? Does that allay any suspicions or doubt?

[azureline**]

or perhaps remember that there are stupid people in all walks of life.

[katydidthat]

Perhaps another question might be: what do Muslims living in Afghanistan or Iraq think of Australians and/or Christians?

[boris1gary]

or we could step back and ask - what is the "Australian way"? and stopping linking Islam to the takfiri terrorists who are using Islam as a cover - even abbott has said that isil has nothing to do with Islam but some continue not to hear that and seem intent on whipping up hatred and fear, men attacking Muslim women in the street - is that the "Australian way"? 

[i-need-a-martini]

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@nero_wulf wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

He said he was insulted by that question............. I can see merit in that.

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So who are you supporting here? Australia or  terrorist and the spokesman of a  known and banned terrorist organisation that supports the genocide and mass murder of their people and the rape and selling of women into slavery and so much more.

 Hizb ut-Tahrir is banned in many Arab countries 

Where does your allegiances lie?

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I think you have misinterpreted what the Hizb ut-T want. They want a unified Islamic state by bringing all muslims countries together. Just because the words "islamic state" start with an "i" and an "s" does not mean they are connected to the extremist group I.S.

Wanting unity is logical to some and not to others and that is why many Muslim countries are critical of the group.

Let's not forget that unity of countries is not an alient notion. The UK is a good example.