on 14-11-2013 10:52 AM
ONCE again the Greens have shamelessly exploited a tragedy, this time Typhoon Haiyan in the Philippines.
These enemies of reason claim this "record" typhoon is evidence of global warming and "Typhoon Tony" - the Prime Minister - will cause more.
But once again almost everything they say about this disaster is false or misleading
Of course, that isn't unusual for the Greens, a party that promises a new Dark Ages in which faith again trumps facts.
Last month Greens leader Christine Milne and her deputy, Adam Bandt, linked the NSW fires to global warming with the same reckless disregard for the truth.
In just one interview on the ABC's Insiders, Milne made seven false or misleading claims.
Here are some: the fires occurred where there was a "long-term drying trend", this trend was linked to global warming, we'd just had our "hottest winter", the "scale of the fires" was significant and Cyclone Yasi was also evidence of warming.
In fact, those fires were not bigger, earlier or deadlier. NSW has had more rainfall over the century, not less, and even Tim Flannery's alarmist Climate Commission admitted Yasi was "not the result of climate change".
Oh, and the planet's atmosphere has not had any statistically significant warming for 15 years.
Rational people would be embarrassed to be proved so wrong, but these are Greens. So this week they were at it again, only worse.
Here is Milne: "In our region Typhoon Haiyan and 10,000 people, if not more, dead in the Philippines from a storm with such intensity there is now debate whether it is the strongest typhoon ever."
She continued, verballing former Climate Commissioner Will Steffen: "Professor Steffen ... is out saying that it is the warming of the oceans off the eastern Philippines that has led to the intensity of the typhoon."
Here is Bandt, attacking Prime Minister Tony Abbott: "He can be expected to be referred to as Typhoon Tony ...
"This is what we are in store for unless we get global warming under control ..."
And here is Senator Richard Di Natale: "You've got record storms in the Philippines and now you've got record stupidity from Tony Abbott, who's basically going to unwind some of the world's most ambitious and important climate change legislation."
But, again, almost everything these Greens said about the typhoon was false or misleading
Was this massive typhoon the strongest ever?
No. The Philippine Met Agency says Haiyan had wind gusts at landfall of 275kmh - the same it recorded with Typhoon Sening in 1970, but less than the 320kmh of Typhoon Reming in 2006.
The US Joint Typhoon Warning Center estimated higher wind speeds but from satellite monitoring, which is valid only for typhoons over water, not land, where friction slows the winds.
Australia's Bureau of Meteorology recorded 408kmh winds at Barrow Island during a cyclone in 1996.
Was this typhoon the deadliest?
No. The Philippines government has revised the expected toll from 10,000 to less than 3000. Typhoon Uring, which hit the Philippines in 1991, killed at least 5000.
The world's 35 deadliest typhoons have killed between 12,000 people and the 500,000 feared dead in a Bangladesh cyclone in 1970.
Did this typhoon pass over unusually warm seas?
No. Sea temperatures in Haiyan's path were around the 25-year average, according to US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration data.
Are the Philippines experiencing more cyclones or typhoons?
No. The Philippines is in a typhoon hotspot, but atmospheric physicist Gerry Bagtasa of the University of the Philippines says there were more in the northwest Pacific in the 1960s.
A 2009 study in Geophysical Research Letters found "no net change" in the number of cyclones making landfall in the Philippines.
Is the world experiencing more or worse cyclones or typhoons?
No. Even the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change conceded in September there is "low confidence that any reported long-term (centennial) increases in tropical cyclone activity are robust" and "confidence in large-scale changes in the intensity of extreme extratropical cyclones since 1900 is low".
Do real experts say humans have caused worse or more cyclones or typhoons?
No. Again, the IPCC admits: "Globally, there is low confidence in attribution of changes in tropical cyclone activity to human influence."
This was a massive typhoon which caused a terrible loss of life by smashing into a poor country rather than a rich one.
But there is no global warming signal here. Nor could Abbott do anything to make cyclones less likely. He has as much influence over a cyclone as King Canute had over the tides.
But tell that to the Greens. For them such facts do not matter. To them, ignorance is a virtue and fear a weapon.
on 14-11-2013 08:27 PM
on 14-11-2013 09:17 PM
The only peope linking it were the Philippine Government.
You the other hand shamelessly uses this tragedy to attack the greens.
on 15-11-2013 10:11 AM
@topsidesoul wrote:The only peope linking it were the Philippine Government.
You the other hand shamelessly uses this tragedy to attack the greens.
The greens used it shamelessly to attack PM Abbott. Laughable defence, hilarious in fact but expect nothing uttered of value here except blind defence of the lunatic left.
on 15-11-2013 10:13 AM
what did andrew say today sf ? follow his lead now.
15-11-2013 10:34 AM - edited 15-11-2013 10:35 AM
Of-course, one bigger than usual typhoon is not a proof of anything, but as predicted weather is getting more severe, extreme events occur more often. Katrina, Sandy, Larry, Yassi and now Haiyan, all in span of less than decade and each one worse than the one before. Plus repeated floods, and huge wild fires, which used to be once in 20 - 30 years events now happening every other year. It is all pretty much as the scientific modeling predicted.
And NO, the greens do not want us to live in caves, they want us to invest in renewable energy, for better and cleaner future, which would also create the much needed jobs.
on 15-11-2013 10:43 AM
That is what hysterical Alarmists believe..........*sigh*
on 15-11-2013 10:44 AM
extreme events occur more often
what a load of you know what
on 15-11-2013 10:47 AM
its not happening its not happening.. umm seems it is happening just as the credible scientific community said ..
on 15-11-2013 10:48 AM
o god
on 15-11-2013 10:53 AM
@*ibis wrote:o god
yeah yeah i know, he's going to roll it all up and and make a new earth and a new Jerusalem. i did notice some conditions attached to that though, i think the scribe called it stewardship. (in order to get the 'new' one this one has to be looked after). otherwise he calls it off.