Harvey Weinstein: Me Too!

[davidc4430]

Harvey Weinstein: Gwyneth Paltrow, Angelina Jolie join flood of allegations; Hillary Clinton 'appalled'

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-11/harvey-weinstein-gwyneth-paltrow-angelina-jolie-speak-out/9036...

What is it with women?

NOW your saying all these things about the guy?

Where were you before the S**T hit the fan?

not saying hes not a creep, just i hate when AFTER someone gets outed then they come out of the woodwork saying "yes, i know hes a really bad man"

its like Bill Cosby and Rolf Harris all over again.

any "STAR" who now comes out and says they knew of this guys sexual power trips before he was sacked and it hit the the front pages has no credibility IMO!

[johcaschro]

. . . "So the question in my mind is did he actually 'force' it or did he strongly pester them & they felt they needed to give in to further their career? If so then it doesn't change the sleaze factor but they have to shoulder some of the blame for not sticking to the 'no' word. If physical force was involved, different story but they should have gone to the police. . . ."

It's not so much a question of furthering their career as it is ensuring that they have any future at all in their chosen career.

These are/were younger, aspiring women, vulnerable to exploitation and not powerful, secure-in-their-established-career women.

Forced or convinced? Maybe he made them an offer which they felt they couldn't afford to refuse?

[the_great_she_elephant]

There is also a srong possibility that they were conditioned to believe it was normal for the industry and just something that was expected of them 

[lyndal1838]

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@bsal6160 wrote:

so you saying they were only worried about the career not the fact that they were sexually assulted? they should should have reported him as soon as it happened. NO EXCUSES.

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And would you say the same thing to the mature men and women who are just now coming forward to complain about the abuse suffered at the hands of priests and staff in childrens homes and orphanages?

[not_for_sale2025]

Sexual harassment in any form is unacceptable. But when the villain is a person with great power and influence, the intent is seldom only about sex, it is also an attempt to gain power over victims. The victims often experience high levels of trauma, fear and feel unempowered. That is hardly a state to be in when bravery is required to take on the perpetrator.

It's all too easy to say what the alleged victims should or should not have done when we don't really know what they went through. IMO it's good that people in the industry are uniting to condemn this treatment of women. Now his victims may feel it is safe to open up about the truth, given he has been exposed and they have growing support.

[springyzone]

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@not_for_sale2017 wrote:

Sexual harassment in any form is unacceptable. But when the villain is a person with great power and influence, the intent is seldom only about sex, it is also an attempt to gain power over victims. The victims often experience high levels of trauma, fear and feel unempowered. That is hardly a state to be in when bravery is required to take on the perpetrator.

It's all too easy to say what the alleged victims should or should not have done when we don't really know what they went through. IMO it's good that people in the industry are uniting to condemn this treatment of women. Now his victims may feel it is safe to open up about the truth, given he has been exposed and they have growing support.

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I totally agree that sexual harrassment is unacceptable. I also suspect the perpetrators probably sum up their victims to some extent to work out exactly what they can get away with. A strong, loudly spoken extroverted woman might not be put under the same pressure.

I'm not so sure people in the film/media industry are uniting to condemn this treatment of women. Well, they are to some extent. But if you compare it to the cases of paedophile priests, even the innocent priests are being condemned if they had any knowledge it was happening & did not go to the police but just moved the offender on.

Compare that to all the 16 executives in this company and countless others in the media who were very well aware of this man's behaviour & the behaviour of the likes of Rolf Harris & the Uk's Jimmy Savile. Sure, those entertainers have been condemned but where is the spotlight on all those who admitted knowing about it but saying nothing?

[not_for_sale2025]

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@springyzone wrote:

I totally agree that sexual harrassment is unacceptable. I also suspect the perpetrators probably sum up their victims to some extent to work out exactly what they can get away with. A strong, loudly spoken extroverted woman might not be put under the same pressure.

I'm not so sure people in the film/media industry are uniting to condemn this treatment of women. Well, they are to some extent. But if you compare it to the cases of paedophile priests, even the innocent priests are being condemned if they had any knowledge it was happening & did not go to the police but just moved the offender on.

Compare that to all the 16 executives in this company and countless others in the media who were very well aware of this man's behaviour & the behaviour of the likes of Rolf Harris & the Uk's Jimmy Savile. Sure, those entertainers have been condemned but where is the spotlight on all those who admitted knowing about it but saying nothing?

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Actually, I agree with you. I'm already feeling differently about some of the people, especially the males, who apparently suspected he was harassing or abusing women. As time goes by they may be held to account too. But I hope there is not too much distraction from the perpetrator and the actual victims.

[bsal6160]

that would be a big YES lyndal

[davidc4430]

my argument or position isnt that so many stayed silent, its that now people with power in hollywood are suddenly finding voice.

the actresses and actors and executives who are now coming our saying they either knew of this creeps actions or were victims.

we are hearing from very high profile women who in the past have not been frightened to have their say on many many subjects, who are now saying 'oh yes he did the same to me'

i completely understand anyone at the time fearing if they spoke out their carreer would be over.

but if you had knowledge of his antics and you were in the future a big star why not do something to 'out' him and his like?

start a 'lets rid hollywood of the casting couch' movement?

somewhere young actors and actresses could go if they were forced to do things in order to get a job to tell the story in confidence.

to build a case against the creeps.

[springyzone]

I'm wondering how many other high profile people out there are suddenly worrying about their past behaviour.

I'm not saying sexual harrassment was ever right but I do think societal values change over time. For instance I am sure a lot of people in US in the early 20th century grew up taking racial segregation as just normal, part of the status quo & got a shock as things changed & their way of life was suddenly questioned.

I also suspect sexual harrassment falls into this category a bit. It was embarrassing & people didn't always know how to deal with it but more than that, some in positions of power or fame thought that somehow it gave them an automatic right to try it on. we come down to this sense of entitlement. I think there was even an American president who had illegitimate children with one of his slaves. How much choice did that woman have? Was the man condemned? of course not, it was par for the course in those times.

Closer to home in Australia, aborigines were often just killed for no reason in the early 1800s. Then one day at Myall Creek a group of whites brutally killed a group of aborigines. There was nothing at all unusual in that-except that in this case it went to court and for the first time in history, some whites were hanged for the crime.

To us that may seem justified but in reality, those men were doing what lots of others did and suddenly the 'rules' were changed without warning.

Rape has been a crime for many years but sexual harrassment-I'd say a lot of powerful men in the past thought they were entitled & they were bullet proof & now they are finding the rules have changed.

[davidc4430]

bush justice can still be happening, only a year or two back there was a case of a young aboriginal man being transported in a traytop mounted lock-up that had no airconditioning on a 40c day....he died i believe.

same as there are still those in the USA that would happily return blacks to being nothing more than slaves.

this is why i say the people jumping up now, great, but why have you done nothing for so long. allways waiting for someone else to do the heavy lifting.

i give all the credit to the young women who have now told their stories regardless of the threats to their careers.

they seemed to be saying if my career means being groped or even raped then i dont want it.