Have we been conned

[the_hawk*]

What is the truth

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261577/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-Met-Office-report-reveals-MoS-got-right-warming--deniers-now.html

[*mrgrizz*]

eloi our pollies are like the blind leading the blind and sadly most of the population blindly follow and believe the spin thinking we are being led by the wise and knowledgeable 

who would have thought australia's brightest minds would meet in a ebay chat room

:^O

[the_hawk*]

Eloi I haven't seen you post any thing reportable, but then again I don't go looking either

Hey just a thought mrgrizz one doesn't need to be a great guitar player to know someone else isn't any good

[not_an_eloi]

Rudd attacks Coalition's broadband plan

Posted 1 hour 3 minutes ago

 
Former prime minister Kevin Rudd has attacked the Coalition's broadband internet policy, declaring that many parts of Australia will become "economic backwaters" under Tony Abbott's plan.

Mr Rudd has used a wide-ranging speech to the Urban Development Institute in Melbourne to defend Labor's legacy of infrastructure investment and education spending, arguing it will help Australia take advantage of new opportunities in Asia.

He says the economic benefits of the multi-billion dollar National Broadband Network (NBN) will be "mind blowing", but would be put at risk by a future Coalition government.

"Over 12 years in office, there was something like 12 Coalition plans to roll out broadband across Australia. They all failed," Mr Rudd told the audience.

"And Mr Abbott's plan for the future appears to be the same again.

"This will render our major cities and our regional centres absolute economic backwaters compared to the rest of the world, which is heading in exactly the reverse direction."

Under the Coalition's broadband plan, fibre optic cable would be connected to neighbourhood 'nodes' instead of individual homes, which would reduce the rollout time and cut back the cost."

goin' for a ride to cool off, see you lot later,  hawk(s)  

[just_me_karen]

Just checking in on my lunch break to see if any solution or insight has appeared. 

so, if we stop cutting down the rainforest but keep polluting, everything will be ok? :^O Yet on other occasions I've seen you say you don't like the government putting restrictions on cutting down trees, so I'm guessing it's other....wait, no I can't even begin to guess how your clever plan will work. Please explain?

[the_hawk*]

Sorry I don't have that many years to spend attempting to explain it, one day the penny may drop 

[monman12]

"I think too many people accept what they are told without thinking for themselves."

Sadly TH many people are prepared to express themselves without the background/knowledge/ or research capabilities to be able to present a logical argument  based on fact.
Supply some facts regarding your statement regarding our used tyres : "Did you also know that most are then shipped to places like India to be burnt"  It is nonsense.

"more than 20 million passenger tyres require disposal in Australia each year. Only 23% of these tyres are recycled. A huge 64% are landfilled and roughly 14% are dumped illegally."

As for global warming, allow me to indicate (yet again) that natural global climate cycles take  100,000 years, this debate concerns accelerated increase in CO2 levels with associated mirror rises in global surface/air temperatures over only 100years.

You quote a short term (experimental) forecast, from the UK's met Office, based upon  a few years observations whist ignoring : "The warming trend has not gone away," Julia Slingo, the Met Office's Chief Scientist told a newspaper. The temperature predicted for 2013-2017 is 0.43 degrees above the average between 1971-2000."


here you have a few years temperatures from the met Office TH, as savaged by a newspaper (where is the X axis scale?)

Here you have a  relevant  period TH, also from the Met Office.:

Trend over a suitable time period TH, that is what matters, together with scientific examination and explanation from credible professional bodies.

TH research the CSIRO or the BOM, because the UK Daily Mail does not qualify

[the_hawk*]

So John by your own chart it was .4 of a degree below the average 150 years ago and now its .4 above the average. 

And can you shown a chart of how much rain forest has been removed in that period, a graph will do 

Have you ever noticed its much cooler under a tree than out in the open, its a strange effect that one.

Are you aware of how much natural cooling a tree does

[the_hawk*]

and John I think you will find even the so called experts have conceded on the global warming theory and are now going along the climate change lines which by some strange way rain forests have a huge effect on weather patterns globally

[0z_girl]

cooler under a tree? may be because of the shade:-D

[just_me_karen]

Lets put all the scientists under a tree, hawk, so they feel cooler and stop believing in facts rofl.

or we could make a brand new policy, called "The don't cut down rainforests unless it's an annoying tree on your own land in which case chop it down and burn the #%". Right out of the 50s :^O

yeah that worked well.