Hinch makes some very good points.

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http://www.news.com.au/national/derryn-hinch-slams-celebrity-backed-bali-nine-mercy-campaign-video/s...

RADIO AND TV personality Derryn Hinch has criticised the decision made by Australian celebrities to call for mercy for Bali Nine masterminds Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan, saying their campaign is “hypocritical”.

“In Indonesia, they know that when they commit crimes like this, then you could get the death penalty.

“I say hypocritical because are these people who are up there who are saying ‘I stand for mercy’ — is that for Australian drug dealers or Australians on death row, or for everybody?”

“I mean did they stand up a week ago and say ‘I stand for mercy’ for the Brazilian who was executed in Indonesia, or the one from the Netherlands, or the Indonesian woman or somebody from Malawi? Or is it just Australians?,” he said.

He also questioned whether those celebrities involved in the video were against the death penalty in general, or if they were only against capital punishment for specific offences.

“Also if you are against the death penalty, are you against the death penalty for all offences?,” he asked.

“Are you against the death penalty say for the terrorists? Did you try and campaign to try and save the lives of the Bali Bombers?,” he said.

“Did we put our hands up and say show them clemency? Don’t execute them.”

He concluded with his view: “If you’re going to say ‘I stand for mercy’, stand for mercy for everybody, if you’re against the death penalty, be against it for everybody. you can’t be a little bit pregnant,” he added.

Kinda makes sense to me. 

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

I have a question. How does anyone know if these people have rehabilitate and will not reoffend again???

The stats on rehabilitation is pretty poor. Should we be more lenient on those with the best acting skills?

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That is not so simple; here in VIC the recidivism is about 40%.  Why do people commit further crime?  Most likely because once they have a criminal record and no qualification they have no chance of getting job.  Or at least they have much less chance than others. 

Will these people try to smuggle drugs again?  I think that is pretty obviously NO!

The problem is that people who were later found innocent are those who were often accused of "not being sorry for their crimes".   And their "attitude"  contributes to harsher sentences. 

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What are the chances of either Chan or Myuran finding gainful employment in the fields they have chosen to study for? At least enough for a decent living. Not high I would imagine.

I think it's a fair bet that they would fall back into drug dealing.

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Ya think?  After spending 10 years at risk of death, after having 10 years to think about what they did?

What a harsh, judgmental imagination you have got going there.  

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

I have a question. How does anyone know if these people have rehabilitate and will not reoffend again???

The stats on rehabilitation is pretty poor. Should we be more lenient on those with the best acting skills?

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No one here knows anything about these at all really, let alone be able to judge whether they will reoffend again.

Prisons in Australia have criminal psychologist  assessing prisoners.

This sounds more than faking/acting  good behaviour.

Over the next 12 months the warden of Kerobokan Prison allowed Myu's creative output to be sold as well, with all the profits pumping back into the art studio. More than 40 convicts from every corner of the world meet studiously every weekday to attend art classes and the paintings that the students are willing to part with are sold in stalls in the bustling tourist markets of Bali.

The art rooms are the result of slow and methodical negotiations with Indonesian authorities by a  persistent Myu. His diplomacy skills have put form to his dreams. Last year, Myu completed more than 20 works for his first solo show. Good people in Melbourne held the exhibition, the photographer Matthew Sleeth found space and words to open a show that sold every work but one, and the proceeds fed directly back to the funding of a prison art gallery.

By the end of 2015, Myu will be due to finish his Bachelor of Fine Arts by correspondence through Curtin University.

Ben Quilty

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@j*oono wrote:

Pardoning them from the death penalty doesn't mean they would be released from jail though.  They are useful to others in the jail so I think they are gainfully employed already.

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Who's paying them? Other prisoners who are either long-term or on the waiting list for execution themselves?

Certainly the Indon government get no benefit from them.

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

I have a question. How does anyone know if these people have rehabilitate and will not reoffend again???

The stats on rehabilitation is pretty poor. Should we be more lenient on those with the best acting skills?

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That is not so simple; here in VIC the recidivism is about 40%.  Why do people commit further crime?  Most likely because once they have a criminal record and no qualification they have no chance of getting job.  Or at least they have much less chance than others. 

Will these people try to smuggle drugs again?  I think that is pretty obviously NO!

The problem is that people who were later found innocent are those who were often accused of "not being sorry for their crimes".   And their "attitude"  contributes to harsher sentences. 

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What are the chances of either Chan or Myuran finding gainful employment in the fields they have chosen to study for? At least enough for a decent living. Not high I would imagine.

I think it's a fair bet that they would fall back into drug dealing.

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Artist for myuran

.By the end of 2015, Myu will be due to finish his Bachelor of Fine Arts by correspondence through Curtin University.

Chan - Churches won't judge him and will help him find work.

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j*oono wrote:

Pardoning them from the death penalty doesn't mean they would be released from jail though.  They are useful to others in the jail so I think they are gainfully employed already.

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icyfroth wrote:

Who's paying them? Other prisoners who are either long-term or on the waiting list for execution themselves?

Certainly the Indon government get no benefit from them.

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Do you even know what these two Australians have been doing while in prison?

...  that to eat in the prison, inmates needed $2.50 a day. The average daily wage in Bali was the equivalent of $4 per day and so the bonsai plants that lined the quadrangle were an elderly convict's means of earning enough money for food without further burdening his family. The prison warden allowed the convict's family to sell the more mature bonsais in a Balinese flower market.

Another young convict sets up every day to dry paper-thin layers of ground rice. The rice cakes dry in the sun and are sold to other convicts and prison staff. I was hungry and they looked good. Chickens run the length of the art rooms, hemmed in by flimsy wire against the massive prison wall.

Over the next 12 months the warden of Kerobokan Prison allowed Myu's creative output to be sold as well, with all the profits pumping back into the art studio.

More than 40 convicts from every corner of the world meet studiously every weekday to attend art classes and the paintings that the students are willing to part with are sold in stalls in the bustling tourist markets of Bali.

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If they are not executed they will spend rest of their lives being supported by Indonesian government.  Or we might agree to take them back and keep them in our prisons.  Should they get out I am sure they will be given jobs; they are now celebs, not common criminals.  😞

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

If they are not executed they will spend rest of their lives being supported by Indonesian government.

The Indon Government are probably asking themselves why they would support convicted drug dealers when they usually execute them? And for every on  executed there are probably ten more to take their place

  Or we might agree to take them back and keep them in our prisons.  Should they get out I am sure they will be given jobs; they are now celebs, not common criminals.  😞

Do you not see how wrong that is? To make celebrities out of convicted criminals? 

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I don't know about being them  'celebs' if they return to Australia, don't think that would go down to well. They would probably be happy enough with being free and left alone to get on with their lives, instead of the media following them waiting for them to stuff up somehow.

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Bali Nine: Joko Widodo rules out 'relief' for death row inmates Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Indonesian lawyers were hoping for a judicial review but Mr Widodo has told CNN nothing would change his hardline stance against drug dealers.

"Imagine every day we have 50 people die because of narcotics, in one year it's 18,000 people because of narcotics," he said.

"We are not going to compromise for drug dealers. No compromise, no compromise.

"The decision of death penalty is on the court. But they can ask for amnesty to the president but I tell you there will be no amnesty for drug dealers."

Entire Article Here

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@icyfroth wrote:

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Do you not see how wrong that is? To make celebrities out of convicted criminals? 

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I do see it as being very wrong.  I do not think this sort of discussion should even be here or in media.  Just let the courts do their job.  I thought that was pretty obvious from those couple of comments I made on the subject.