on โ22-04-2015 08:34 PM
on โ23-04-2015 01:01 PM
@this-one-time-at-bandcamp wrote:Dr. Tetyana Obukhanych has a PhD in Immunology and is author of the book, โVaccine Illusion: How Vaccination Compromises Our Natural Immunity and What We Can Do To Regain Our Health.โ
You can bet that the good doctor and her fellow "antis" would be pushing and shoving to get first in line for shots if an outbreak of smallpox or pneumonic plague erupted, unlike the very low mortality rate of measles or chickenpox. I wonder how she explains the rarity of polio, once the dreaded companion to summer, these days.......
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A quote from a letter she wrote to legislaters that are currently considering vaccine legislation.
IPV (inactivated poliovirus vaccine) cannot prevent transmission of poliovirus \Wild poliovirus has been non-existent in the USA for at least two decades. Even if wild poliovirus were to be re-imported by travel, vaccinating for polio with IPV cannot affect the safety of public spaces. Please note that wild poliovirus eradication is attributed to the use of a different vaccine, OPV or oral poliovirus vaccine. Despite being capable of preventing wild poliovirus transmission, use of OPV was phased out long ago in the USA and replaced with IPV due to safety concerns.
on โ23-04-2015 01:31 PM
IPV (inactivated poliovirus vaccine) cannot prevent transmission of poliovirus
In that case, why is an IPV the vaccine of choice in the US? An enhanced-potency IPV was licensed in the United States in November 1987, and is currently the vaccine of choice in the United States.
The Salk vaccine had been 60โ70% effective against PV1 (poliovirus type 1), over 90% effective against PV2 and PV3, and 94% effective against the development of bulbar polio.[17] Soon after Salk's vaccine was licensed in 1955 children's vaccination campaigns were launched. In the U.S, following a mass immunization campaign promoted by the March of Dimes, the annual number of polio cases fell from 35,000 in 1953 to 5,600 by 1957.[18][unreliable medical source?] By 1961 only 161 cases were recorded
in the United States.
on โ23-04-2015 01:36 PM
Perhaps you might also like to read this.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/why-does-this-immunologist-reject-vaccinations/
Of course, in a sense she is right. Vaccination is not normal - it flies in the face of evolution (just like antibiotics) Without them nature would take it's course and the strongest - i.e those with the best immune systems - would survive to pass on their genes to their descendants. Let's not forget, The Black Death, (Bubonic Plague) wiped out between a third and a half of the entire population of Europe within the space of a few years, but I'm sure those that survived had pretty awesome immune systems.
Myxomatosis was released in Australia to control the rabbit population.in 1950. It was devastatingly effective, reducing the estimated rabbit population from 600 million to 100 million in two years. However, the rabbits remaining alive were those least affected by the disease. Genetic resistance to myxomatosis was observed soon after the first release and most rabbits acquired partial immunityin the first two decades. Resistance has been increasing slowly since the 1970s, and the disease now only kills about 50% of infected rabbits
So there you go. If we stoped immunising, I'm sure the population would gradually acquire a greater natural immunity. There would , of course, be initial pandemics of diseases like whooping cough, rubella and polio, but maybe in 65 years time, we would be able to show a similar decline to the mortality rates from myxomatosis in rabbits. Obviously, while this decline was happening we would have to sacrifice quite a few of our children but I'm sure their grieving parents would be immensely comforted by the knowledge that they died in a good cause and without all those nasty drugs in their systems.
on โ23-04-2015 01:48 PM
on โ23-04-2015 02:34 PM
That was interesting she-ele, but using wikipieda to discredit an immunologists definition of immunization just doesn't really hold much weight.
Posting children in iron lungs from half a century ago also doesn't hold much weight with me either sorry. And it's one thing I would never do to further my agenda. I could post any number of children that have been permanently damaged by vaccines but I'm not going to go there out of respect for the families that are suffering every day because of this damage. It's not necessary in the discussion and it would only make me look inconsiderate and oppertunistic...
on โ23-04-2015 02:50 PM
@this-one-time-at-bandcamp wrote:Dr. Tetyana Obukhanych has a PhD in Immunology and is author of the book, โVaccine Illusion: How Vaccination Compromises Our Natural Immunity and What We Can Do To Regain Our Health.โ
You can bet that the good doctor and her fellow "antis" would be pushing and shoving to get first in line for shots if an outbreak of smallpox or pneumonic plague erupted, unlike the very low mortality rate of measles or chickenpox. I wonder how she explains the rarity of polio, once the dreaded companion to summer, these days.......
It is often "Do as I say, not as I do" with these people.
on โ23-04-2015 02:52 PM
@secondhand-wonderland wrote:That was interesting she-ele, but using wikipieda to discredit an immunologists definition of immunization just doesn't really hold much weight.
Posting children in iron lungs from half a century ago also doesn't hold much weight with me either sorry. And it's one thing I would never do to further my agenda. I could post any number of children that have been permanently damaged by vaccines but I'm not going to go there out of respect for the families that are suffering every day because of this damage. It's not necessary in the discussion and it would only make me look inconsiderate and oppertunistic...
None of my links was from wikipedia.
And why is posting pictures from a polio pandemic 50 odd years ago not relevant. You may think that because you don't remember it, it isn't important, but I do remember it - I remember the fear, the heartrending stories and photos in the newspapers. I remember cinemas and local social events being cancelled, and I remember my mother's distress when the son of one of her closest friends was struck down with it (he was one of the lucky ones, he recovered with only minor side effects)
It was real, it was terrifying and the only thing the poplulation had to fight it with was natural immunity. Well I'm here to tell you NATURAL IMMUNITY DIDN'T WORK!!! thousands of children died or were crippled for life because IT DIDNT WORK!!! the only thing that eventually stopped children from getting polio was VACCINATION..
on โ23-04-2015 03:09 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@secondhand-wonderland wrote:That was interesting she-ele, but using wikipieda to discredit an immunologists definition of immunization just doesn't really hold much weight.
Posting children in iron lungs from half a century ago also doesn't hold much weight with me either sorry. And it's one thing I would never do to further my agenda. I could post any number of children that have been permanently damaged by vaccines but I'm not going to go there out of respect for the families that are suffering every day because of this damage. It's not necessary in the discussion and it would only make me look inconsiderate and oppertunistic...
None of my links was from wikipedia.
And why is posting pictures from a polio pandemic 50 odd years ago not relevant. You may think that because you don't remember it, it isn't important, but I do remember it - I remember the fear, the heartrending stories and photos in the newspapers. I remember cinemas and local social events being cancelled, and I remember my mother's distress when the son of one of her closest friends was struck down with it (he was one of the lucky ones, he recovered with only minor side effects)
It was real, it was terrifying and the only thing the poplulation had to fight it with was natural immunity. Well I'm here to tell you NATURAL IMMUNITY DIDN'T WORK!!! thousands of children died or were crippled for life because IT DIDNT WORK!!! the only thing that eventually stopped children from getting polio was VACCINATION..
Your Harriet Hall article uses wikipeidia in an attempt to debunk Tetyana Obukhanych.
Yes the OPV. Which was NEVER without it's fair share of problems, side effects including permanent paralysis, and shedding issues. It was taken off the market due to safety reasons. It seems like we've traded one health problem for a whole heap of other health problems. Once the disease was eradicated from the US in 1979, the only cases of polio were caused by the Sabin vaccine.
on โ23-04-2015 03:14 PM
@secondhand-wonderland wrote:That was interesting she-ele, but using wikipieda to discredit an immunologists definition of immunization just doesn't really hold much weight.
Posting children in iron lungs from half a century ago also doesn't hold much weight with me either sorry. And it's one thing I would never do to further my agenda. I could post any number of children that have been permanently damaged by vaccines but I'm not going to go there out of respect for the families that are suffering every day because of this damage. It's not necessary in the discussion and it would only make me look inconsiderate and oppertunistic...
Are you too young to remember the devastation caused by polio?
How many kids at your school had polio?
on โ23-04-2015 03:18 PM
@karliandjacko wrote:
@secondhand-wonderland wrote:That was interesting she-ele, but using wikipieda to discredit an immunologists definition of immunization just doesn't really hold much weight.
Posting children in iron lungs from half a century ago also doesn't hold much weight with me either sorry. And it's one thing I would never do to further my agenda. I could post any number of children that have been permanently damaged by vaccines but I'm not going to go there out of respect for the families that are suffering every day because of this damage. It's not necessary in the discussion and it would only make me look inconsiderate and oppertunistic...
Are you too young to remember the devastation caused by polio?
How many kids at your school had polio?
I'm more from the era where I can clearly see the devastation caused to some people by vaccines.
None. Although I do remember one older male teacher who had a slight limp because he had had polio as a child.