I wanna know........

[cueperkins]

WTF.....happened to Australian Spirit?....

What do you think....are we roooooned?  Does anyone have the same sense of 'existential dread', that I'm feeling lately for the future of Australia?........?  Lib Labor..doesn't matter, they BOTH don't get it I reckon.

What do you think?

[karliandjacko]

BTW...do you have any idea what it takes for a rural producer to change crop or stock?...lots = THEY NEED HELP AND SO DOES RURAL OZ....trust me on that mate.

Why is each side of Main stream Govt, helping Rich OS interests to help themselves to our wealth?...WE NEED TO OBJECT before it's too late for our kids. 

A few years back the farmers were encouraged to expand, buy the neighbours out.

A side effect of that is that people can't afford to buy the farms when they are on the market, paving the way for foreign ownership.

The government should buy back some of the farms then lease them so that Aussies can produce the food and the money doesn't go offshore.

[cueperkins]

Crikley, again, no offense, but what the hell do you have against Joz??...whatever it is, I'm not really interested in...this here's my Fred...and Joz is welcome to be here......

Why don't ya chill out and listen to this?

Lay down your guns I surrender - Barnsey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmaNxehlBJI

[joz*garage]

You don't need to open it...we all know John Lennon 'Imagine' by heart don't we?

RIP John *sob*  Some barstool Narcissist shot him..bl**dy Americans

was it imagine? i hadnt clicked  the link and missread your heading , thought it was kill or die or something that i wasnt familar wif

mmmm that was good, had a Richos special, but used beef 😛

into some icecream now

[cueperkins]

A few years back the farmers were encouraged to expand, buy the neighbours out.

A side effect of that is that people can't afford to buy the farms when they are on the market, paving the way for foreign ownership.

The government should buy back some of the farms then lease them so that Aussies can produce the food and the money doesn't go offshore.

Yep....things like that....keep talking - Some people are trying to make this thread about anything but AUSSIE spirit...but to hell with them...Like the OP implies.....my war paint has been on for a while now.  how much can a Koala Bear?  EVen Drop Bears get the blues.

[*crikey*mate*]

Crikey...my grandmother was a half Aboriginal woman stolen from her family for her own good, to be a servant for the rest of her life and die, never seeing her family again.....do you seriously want to debate me on ownership?.....Australian Spirit?....(like you'd know it that spiritually?)....anything else? j

BTW...why always so defensive?.....can't you just join a discussion and take in other peoples opinions?.  Once upon a time my generation called that communication...just saying....get off the back foot honey....I'm not on the attack.  Just trying to enlighten you on things you don't seriously know much about.  Do you live in a city for instance? Or urban sprawl kinda thing?  If so, then what would you know about rural oz?

I'm not defensive I just have a different opinion and outlook to what you do. And my comments had nothing to do with ownership before the legal fiction that is and was terra nullis. My comments had only to do with those who have and do use the land for farming purposes. (Hence the reference to 200 odd years)

I live in the city, but my family are from "rural oz" ever since the First Fleet (sorry about that BTW) but as I said, even they have adapted to and continue to adapt to a changing environment.

You still haven't answered my initial question.

I ask you again, we've had this land for 200 odd years now, why hasn't anyone done anything with it so far if there are sooooo many people wanting to?

and now another for you. If what you're doing isn't working for you, why are you still doing it?

leave ya too it, obviously your perspective is right and no other perspective can be put forth and discussed.

[karliandjacko]

ownership before the legal fiction that is and was terra nullius.

I fixed the spelling now perhaps you could explain what you mean by that.

[cueperkins]

You just don't get it...Australian society has been around for A LOT LONGER than 200 years.

Yothu Yindi..Djapana - Sunset dreaming.... (look it up - It's Australian and you're standing in it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG-CNqOhO2c

Treaty - This land was never given up...this land was never bought and sold..(not by it's original owners even now)......and here we are again?  History repeating itself.  Never ends.  What is Aussie spirit these days then?  Worldwide prostitution of this place, but never for us?  the Political PIMPS get everything?  Sheesh  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7cbkxn4G8U

BTW. Joz, these two songs are seriously good indigenous music...worth listening to.

[*crikey*mate*]

Cue played the aboriginal card, to my knowledge, aboriginals used the land in a very different manner to how it has been used since the arrival of the First Fleet ie. the farming industry

that is being discussed in this thread.

I'm pretty sure that you don't really mean you want me to explain terra nullius to you and how in the instance of the British declaring the land unoccupied that it was a complete work of legal fiction, do you?

[cueperkins]

My last comment was to Crikey....still stands....how much history do you acknowledge as legitimate in this country of 'ours'?  200 years or 40,000?...if not the latter, then you negate anything prior as illegitimate as far as objective anthropology  goes

[karliandjacko]

when we were kids we sang Humphrie Humphrie  :^O