IPCC this century's 'Chicken Little'

 

This article & Mr Murrays interview on Lateline is at last a sign that the "Global Warming" hysteria is going to be tackled by more than just the few who have popped their heads over the parapet.

 

The line the ABC has been running (with full graphics of historical Eastern bloc chimneys spewing smoke) which is no longer happening, has accelerated since Labor lost.

 

They are still fighting Labor's election, Abbott got NO honeymoon from them whilst Rudd got 2 years even knowing that he was out of control.

  IPCC this century's 'Chicken Little'

  • ANDREW BURRELL

MINING industry veteran Hugh Morgan has further inflamed the climate change debate by claiming that the world's climate scientists will be remembered in a similar vein to the "Chicken Little" theorists who published the apocalyptic tome The Limits to Growth more than 40 years ago.

 

The long-time climate change sceptic said the intensity of the debate on global warming made it timely to consider the impact of the 1972 book published by the Club of Rome, which sold 12 million copies and was translated into 37 languages.

 

The Club of Rome - a group of mostly European scientists and academics - used computer modelling to warn that the world would run out of commodities, including gold, mercury, silver, tin, zinc, petroleum, copper, lead, oil and natural gas, within 30 years.

 

The book captured the public's imagination by warning of the "sudden and uncontrollable collapse" of economic life.

Mr Morgan, the former chief executive of Western Mining Corporation, told The Australian: "The book illustrates the dangers of academics talking about things they know nothing about.

 

"The IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) will be remembered in the same way as the Club of Rome for its 'Chicken Little' approach."

Mr Morgan's comments came as former Commonwealth Bank and Future Fund chairman David Murray suggested last week that the world's climate scientists lacked integrity, prompting an angry response from a leading body representing scientists.

 

Mr Murray told the ABC's Lateline program that the "climate problem" had been overstated by IPCC scientists and he would be convinced that man-made climate change was real only "when I see some evidence of integrity amongst the scientists themselves".

Host Emma Alberici pointed out that the most recent IPCC report was written by 250 authors from 39 countries and was subject to review by more than 1000 experts, but he could not be swayed.

 

The Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society said on Friday it was disturbed by Mr Murray's comments.

"The IPCC reports are an outstanding example of international science co-operation, rigour and transparency," AMOC president Blair Trewin said. "The society regards the remarks of Mr Murray as being a serious slur on the integrity of the many Australian and international authors of the IPCC report."

 

The backlash from scientists came as Bill Shorten announced that Labor would propose amendments to the federal government's carbon tax repeal legislation, saying he believed an emissions trading scheme was the best way to tackle climate change.

"We accept the science of climate change. Tony Abbott doesn't," the Opposition Leader said.

 

Mr Morgan said political leaders should reread The Limits of Growth to understand the dangers of modelling and the risk of believing "academics who think they can see the future".

 

He said the Club of Rome's prediction that most major commodities would run out within a few decades had been proven wrong because of the scientists' failure to consider technological innovation in the resources industry and their inability to understand how companies made decisions.

 

"It completely presumed there was a standstill in technology,' Mr Morgan said.

He cited the shale gas revolution in the US as an example of technological change leading to increased reserves of a key commodity. The move towards deep-sea drilling for oil had also led to new discoveries in areas previously discounted.

 

Mr Morgan said the Club of Rome's forecasts had "scared the hell out of everybody" and had encouraged overproduction, which kept commodity prices low for 20 years. "Everybody invested and you had a massive oversupply," he said.

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 chicken**bleep**

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Mining industry= vested interest in maintaining the status quo..
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"The line the ABC has been running (with full graphics of historical Eastern bloc chimneys spewing smoke) which is no longer happening........" ????????

I would discuss the article further, but can not be bothered, suffice to mention:

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Smokestacks last February in Sofia, Bulgaria. (2012)


A 2011 report from the United Nations found that Bulgaria, along with Armenia and Romania, “lead the world in deaths from outdoor air pollution.”

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In the interests of fair play, it should be pointed out that the shorter, wider towers are actually evaporators or heat exchangers and don't produce any pollution themselves. What you see coming out the top of them is just steam - water and air vapour.

It's the tall smokestacks with the horizontal stripes which are the ones responsible for belching out all the pollution, and just because you can't see it half the time doesn't mean it's not there.
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Smiley LOL

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CT: "In the interests of fair play, it should be pointed out that the shorter, wider towers are actually evaporators or heat exchangers and don't produce any pollution themselves"

I have on numerous occasions berated the media and members here for displaying images of power station cooling towers  and their plumes of condensed  water vapour, as examples of man-made pollutants.

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" What you see coming out the top of them is just steam -"

Steam is technically  invisible, and what you see is condensed water droplets from natural draft evaporative coolers. Furthermore (and being overly pedantic) you could argue/debate the point that water vapour being a GHC together with a water vapor feedback loop (positive),  actually makes temperature changes resulting from  CO2 even larger, thus the cooling towers produce a form of "pollution".

 

Perhaps!

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That's one reason I won't be buying a hot tub.
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John, please feel free to be as pedantic as you wish because I'm in full agreement with your assertions, in particular the berating of ignorant individuals who use evaporative cooling towers as perfect examples of coal-fired pollution.

I have to wonder how the greenies explain away the cooling towers in nuclear power stations though... 🙂

As an aside, I'm more curious as to why, with our 15m-plus tides in Northern Australia, there hasn't been more research into the manufacturing of tidal-controlled power plants, which, like hydro-electricity, is essentially there for the taking.
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It's quite cool here now.I sense an ice age coming on
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