If Julia Gillard rorted travel expenses to the same degree as Tony Abbott.

[donnashuggy]

What would the headlines have been? Abbott has some explaining to do.........

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-09/tony-abbott-says-labor-dirt-campaign-behind-questions-over-exp...

[givemeaspell]

Hey it appears u are responding to my comment there eloi, which it ain't.......I think the way the media and many Aussies have treated Julia Gillard has been absolute disgrace regardless of who u vote for the office of prime minister should be respected, you wouldn't hear things said to Obama that have been said in this country. Shameful to say the least

[icyfroth]

You all need to get over your Lib vs Lab battles and have a look at the bigger picture.

Either party is interchangeable as is any candidate either party presents for the Prime Ministership.

Either party  will throw the sop of better education,  welfare reforms, health education, stop the boats to appease the unsuspecting public while behind the scenes the wholesale sell-off of Australia's resources to foreign interest continues apace.

Australia's leaders have surrendered their power to the moneylenders in the temple.

[freakiness]

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@icyfroth wrote:

You all need to get over your Lib vs Lab battles and have a look at the bigger picture.

Either party is interchangeable as is any candidate either party presents for the Prime Ministership.

Either party  will throw the sop of better education,  welfare reforms, health education, stop the boats to appease the unsuspecting public while behind the scenes the wholesale sell-off of Australia's resources to foreign interest continues apace.

Australia's leaders have surrendered their power to the moneylenders in the temple.

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Is it not a discussion about Abbott's expenses?

He looks like has claimed more than anyone else.

It's a shallow comparison when they both appear the same.

An education and health for starters there are huge differences.

The current government can't be accused of only working around the 3 year election cycles with thir many long term initiatives that the previous avoided.

The man that wants to be PM conspires to send people to jail for no good reason.

[icyfroth]

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@freakiness wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

You all need to get over your Lib vs Lab battles and have a look at the bigger picture.

Either party is interchangeable as is any candidate either party presents for the Prime Ministership.

Either party  will throw the sop of better education,  welfare reforms, health education, stop the boats to appease the unsuspecting public while behind the scenes the wholesale sell-off of Australia's resources to foreign interest continues apace.

Australia's leaders have surrendered their power to the moneylenders in the temple.

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Is it not a discussion about Abbott's expenses?

He looks like has claimed more than anyone else.

It's a shallow comparison when they both appear the same.

An education and health for starters there are huge differences.

The current government can't be accused of only working around the 3 year election cycles with thir many long term initiatives that the previous avoided.

The man that wants to be PM conspires to send people to jail for no good reason.

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"Is it not a discussion about Abbott's expenses?"

Yes of course. You're focussing so hard on the tree, you can't see the forest.

[***super_nova***]

Well, this tree has lots to answer for.  Labor has done very good job under extremely difficult conditions; hung parliament and constant personal attacks by the opposition and media.  TA did nothing but talked Australia down; is it a wonder that people have not much confidence when all they read in the media is how bad we have it?
It looks like TA has fraudulently claimed thousands of dollars expenses; it looks like there might be more than the $9000

[freakiness]

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@icyfroth wrote:

"Is it not a discussion about Abbott's expenses?"

Yes of course. You're focussing so hard on the tree, you can't see the forest.

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Is the rest of the forest unethical as well?

Good reason not to vote for his side then.

The man has claimed about a million in expenses in one year, on top of his $300,000 + salary.

The man claim expenses while on charity rides and book launch tours.

It might be acceptable to aver claim and repay monies if you apply the same principle to others. This person doesn't.

He has hounded Slipper for about one tenth the amount.  He conspired to jail Pauline Hanson, Peter Slipper and possibly others.

We would be better off without his leadership and lies.

What do you suggest? We can the government altogether because you say they are as bad as each other. 

Where would that leave us?

[icyfroth]

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@freakiness wrote:

Is the rest of the forest unethical as well?

Obviously yes. If both parties can sling mud at each other like that, means there's plenty of mud on both sides.

Good reason not to vote for his side then.

Good reason not to vote for the other side too.

The man has claimed about a million in expenses in one year, on top of his $300,000 + salary.

The man claim expenses while on charity rides and book launch tours.

It might be acceptable to aver claim and repay monies if you apply the same principle to others. This person doesn't.

He has hounded Slipper for about one tenth the amount.  He conspired to jail Pauline Hanson, Peter Slipper and possibly others.

Maybe so. And the Labor party had fully endorsed a Prime Minister who in her time as a Lawyer has conspired to set up and defraud Union funds.

We would be better off without his leadership and lies.

What do you suggest? We can the government altogether because you say they are as bad as each other. 

Where would that leave us?

Start looking around for independent parties.

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[monman12]

"I think the way the media and many Aussies have treated Julia Gillard has been absolute disgrace."

She entered the Canberra Bear by choice and patriarchal  assistance which then extended to opportunistic elevation to the prime ministership.  The  "many Aussies" (electorate) have judged her performance over time,  and have passed judgement via opinion polls  resulting in the patriarchs opportunistically  deposing her. That is not a disgrace, it is political reality, and ALP political survival.

Of course the gender card is in play, look at the ratio of support Gillard had from the  male/female electorate, and also a few females (here as well) "blindly" identfy with gender ,  overlooking her overall  performance.

Abbott was clearlly  judged as being preferred PM before Gillard was deposed, and that is really scary, but it was indicitive of  what " many Aussies"  thought.

The associated  treatment during Gillard's term was not a "disgrace",  it was bear pit politics, and in my opinion Gillard did not have the  intestinal fortitude to be in the "bear pit"  where there is never mention of either mother, or father bear.

nɥºɾ

[givemeaspell]

Disagree, many Aussies read the herald sun and the age and it's constant references to the leadership battles and then every single day Andrew Bolt has a negative story about her, surely she has done something right along the way? Our economy is the envy of many other countries around the world! God help us all if Abbott gets in!

[icyfroth]

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@givemeaspell wrote:
 Our economy is the envy of many other countries around the world! God help us all if Abbott gets in!

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While we still have resources to sell. Once they're all in foreign hands, god help us all.