Is Faith Compatible with Reason?

[the_bob_delusion]

Is faith compatible with science or reality?

Do you think you have to forego rational thinking to have faith?

Do you have faith based on reason?

If science contradicts scripture, which then do you accept?

Can you have faith and also accept science? e.g. Can you accept evolution if it goes against scripture?

When a Muslim tells you that Mohommad flew to heaven on a winged horse, is this based on reason/science?

[lakeland27]

 Is Faith Compatible with Reason?

Why yes, i believe it is.  and that isn't personal experience, more observation. but there is evidence of what i'm saying too.. think monastery. monks.. science astronomy medicine and military ideas (as well as some good liquor and cheese) poured out of these places between inquisitions and crusades. so there is or have been places where the two can co-exist.. today we have the salvation army employing largely secular staff (qualified) so, there you have a meeting of faith and reason i'd say.

[*mrgrizz*]

i keep telling you........go to bible college

[*crikey*mate*]

1) Yes

2) No

3) Yes

4) Science and Scripture are the same thing. Scripture is how man interpreted and recorded events as they happened at that tije in history. Science is the term that man gives to those same interpretations and recorded events in more modern and advanced times. Only the future will reveal if what is accepted as Scientific fact today, will remain so at some point in the future.Scripture should not be confused with Faith.

5) Yes

6) Both - see number 4 above.

[the_bob_delusion]

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@lakeland27 wrote:

 Is Faith Compatible with Reason?

Why yes, i believe it is.  and that isn't personal experience, more observation. but there is evidence of what i'm saying too.. think monastery. monks.. science astronomy medicine and military ideas (as well as some good liquor and cheese) poured out of these places between inquisitions and crusades. so there is or have been places where the two can co-exist.. today we have the salvation army employing largely secular staff (qualified) so, there you have a meeting of faith and reason i'd say.

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You're missing the point. The question is not  can a person of faith be reasonable or be logical in other areas of their life. Ofcourse they can. But do a person of faith have to throw reason and logic out the door to maintain their religious beliefs. e.g. Can a religious person truly believe a cracker literally turns into the body of a 1st century Jew after saying some latin words over it and still call their  reason logical or is faith not compatible with reason.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

Is faith compatible with science or reality? - Of course it is!

Do you think you have to forego rational thinking to have faith? No. 

Do you have faith based on reason? Yes.

If science contradicts scripture, which then do you accept? Show me where it does and I'll let you know.

Can you have faith and also accept science? e.g. Can you accept evolution if it goes against scripture?" Where does evolution go against scripture? Now, if you had asked does Abiogenesis  go against scripture, that's a whole different question - but you know that already don't you?.

[the_bob_delusion]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

Is faith compatible with science or reality? - Of course it is!

Do you think you have to forego rational thinking to have faith? No. 

Do you have faith based on reason? Yes.

If science contradicts scripture, which then do you accept? Show me where it does and I'll let you know.

Can you have faith and also accept science? e.g. Can you accept evolution if it goes against scripture?" Where does evolution go against scripture? Now, if you had asked does Abiogenesis  go against scripture, that's a whole different question - but you know that already don't you?.

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Can I just clarify. Are you saying, there's no incidence where the scripture contradicts our understand of estalished natural science?

Or are you just saying, people can ignore certain part of the bible or interpret it completely differently to what it reads? As it's interpretation that's the problem?

So those religious that don't accept evolution and think the universe is 6000yrs old because it goes against their interpretation of the scripture, are they idiots or do not have reason or logic?

[i-need-a-martini]

No.

I can't see how you can have faith (in God) which entails believing everything to be true that is in the doctrines for your particular religion and at the same time believing in science and all that entails - explanations for physical, natural, socialogical systems that shape the world as we know it today.

[cat_mioux]

What I like about Buddhism is that we are taught to question and test the Buddha's teachings for ourselves. I also find it fascinating that Buddhism's teachings on how the universe works is based on quantum physics.

Buddhism and science have increasingly been discussed as compatible, and Buddhism has entered into the science and religion dialogue.[1] The case is made that the philosophic and psychological teachings within Buddhism share commonalities with modern scientific and philosophic thought. For example, Buddhism encourages the impartial investigation of Nature (an activity referred to as Dhamma-Vicaya in the Pali Canon) — the principal object of study being oneself. Some popular conceptions of Buddhism connect it to discourse regarding evolution, quantum theory, and cosmology, though most scientists see a separation between the religious and metaphysical statements of Buddhism and the methodology of science.[citation needed]

Buddhism has been described by some as rational and non-dogmatic, and there is evidence that this has been the case from the earliest period of its history,[2] though some have suggested this aspect is given greater emphasis in modern times and is in part a reinterpretation.[3] Not all forms of Buddhism eschew dogmatism, remain neutral on the subject of the supernatural, or are open to scientific discoveries. Buddhism is a varied tradition and aspects include fundamentalism,[4] devotional traditions,[5] supplication to local spirits, and various superstitions.[6] Nevertheless, certain commonalities have been cited between scientific investigation and Buddhist thought. Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama, in a speech at the meeting of the Society for Neuroscience, listed a "suspicion of absolutes" and a reliance on causality and empiricism as common philosophical principles shared between Buddhism and science.[7]

[lakeland27]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

No.

I can't see how you can have faith (in God) which entails believing everything to be true that is in the doctrines for your particular religion and at the same time believing in science and all that entails - explanations for physical, natural, socialogical systems that shape the world as we know it today.

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 but that's exactly what happened. people of faith were the scientists .. in Christendom and in Islam. did some of these monks etc hold on to the faith ? they did .. this is what the schism is between fundamentalism ('the word' is sacred etc and must be literally true' which the bible itself discourages.. legalism) and the more traditional view that it isn't a literal work but a guide or series of lessons.