Is government control of the education system a desirable "reform"

The question is, should government influence our education systen?


 


When governmet says it wants the same opertunities for every child is it really saying that it wants uniformity in education , such as what is being taught and how it is being taught.?


 


Is it better to have diversity in education as to what and how kids are educated?

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Even within the States, there is such cultural and economic diversity that I believe in allowing individual schools and or communities to determine what is the most positive and constructive outcome for their populace.


 


Every child deserves an equal and just education regardless of their cultural, economic or other status, I can't see how a Federal Govt can ensure that equality with a one size fits all solution.



 


I don't agree that it's good to leave it up to the community populace to decide what is needed in education.  Some would ban computers while others don't see the need for years 11 and 12.  More than one of my friends think year 12 is a waste of time because boys just need a job (any old job will do) and girls just have babies so why waste the money and effort to keep them at school.


 


Which part of the plan is there a one size fits all solution?


 


 


 


 


 

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Yes, Government control of the education systtem is a desirable reform.


 


 

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If parents want diversity in education they can, send their children to a non traditional school such as Montessori School or a Rudolph Steiner School.


 


 


I don't get the poll choices either.


 


 


 

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**Rudolf**

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I don't agree that it's good to leave it up to the community populace to decide what is needed in education.  Some would ban computers while others don't see the need for years 11 and 12.  More than one of my friends think year 12 is a waste of time because boys just need a job (any old job will do) and girls just have babies so why waste the money and effort to keep them at school.


 


Which part of the plan is there a one size fits all solution?


 


 


 


 


 



 


Apologies, I realize I didn't go into specifics, I meant some sort of governing board within the community, not just any random person, a governing board who knows and understands the abilities and restrictions within their specific community.


 


For example, a school with an SEU attached would find it difficult to attain the same benchmarks as one of the selective academic performance based schools - their students would need a differing style of and approach to the curriculum.


 


Similarly, a school from a low socio economic area may see students at a disadvantage compared to one in a more affluent area, or a school in FNQ which has dirt floors in it's only classroom and only has a teacher who speaks English available to them 3 days a week may have difficulty meeting the same benchmarks in most subjects, when compared to a school in the city.


 


The students of this school can speak up to four languages, and are highly skilled in those skills which are valued by and required by their community, yet because they are not fluent in English or have been found to be deficient in their IT skills, they have been determined to be academically compromised.


 


It is those closest to the students who know the limitations of the students and the available resources that need to be addressing what equates to an equal and just education for every child.


 


Of course, they then need to be accountable "up the ladder" with the aim of delivering and achieving an equal outcome for all children, but how can a child be expected to learn science, English or IT when they don't even have the resources?


 


It's all well and good for our politicians to sit in their leather chairs in their air conditioned offices setting unrealistic goals and objectives, but it is the child which misses out on an equal and just education.


 


Tom Calma says it much better than i ever could, so perhaps google a few of the things that he has to say about it.


 


It's not about having a different curriculum, it's about having one which is accessible.


 


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Yes, Government control of the education systtem is a desirable reform.


 


 



 


at what level of government?


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If parents want diversity in education they can, send their children to a non traditional school such as Montessori School or a Rudolph Steiner School.


 


 


I don't get the poll choices either.


 


 


 



 


It's not about having a diversity in education, it's about implementing a curriculum which is accessible to the students trying to use it.


 


BTW - I think you will find that both Steiner and Montessori are required to conform with overarching bench marks and expectations - they are not immune to bureaucracy, they just have a different approach to how to achieve their objectives - an approach that suits the members of their community, but not necessarily an approach that suits all.


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In Qld - Long Division was taught in Grade 4 when I went to school.


 


(Long Division, is instrumental in developing the ability for multi step mathematical computations such as Algebra)


 


By the time my son was in Grade 4, it was not taught until grade 6 in mainstream classes, the reason, too many children were failing, so they just dumbed down the curriculum instead of improving the mathematical foundations of the students.


 


Now, it's not even in the primary school curriculum.


 



Another fine example is the introduction of fractions when a child has not even mastered their multiplication tables, not to mention their ability to divide with any accuracy.


 


In Grade one they introduce all four concepts to kids before giving them the opportunity to master even one.


 


If you can't plus, you can't minus. If you can't multiply, you can't divide. And if you haven't mastered these four basics, then higher order Math are extremely difficult, Yet the cookie cutter, one size fits all curriculum, doesn't consider things such as this, they just move on anyway creating gaps in a child's educational foundations.


 


One also has to remember that even though Preschool is apparently the beginning, not even all children turn up to their first day of preschool at the same starting point. Every child comes from a very different background, and the skills they attain commence long before their first day of school.


 


 


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From the OP: Is it better to have diversity in education as to what and how kids are educated?


 

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at what level of government?



 


Federal Govt - same education system nationwide.

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