Is it time for a new political party to replace labor?

silverfaun
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After the fiasco of the last six years, the total failure of the Whitlam govt having to be sacked & the miasma of Hawke blundering drukenly through his tenure is it time for the Labor party to disappear just like the Democrats?


The never ending problem for the Liberal/ National parties having to do the hard yards trying to balance the books, pay down the debt, of a wastrel Labor party mentality leaving behind the bottom of the chook pen mess every single time they are in govt.

 

It's time a new party emerged, free of the criminal union stranglehold, a party that has no strings to be pulled, a party who has to stand on it's own two feet, a party who can hold it's own without the lunatic Greens having to sweep them into office with their preferences.

 

Labor has done nothing to redress the problems that saw them sacked by the people, they haven't looked at the entrenched apparatchik politiking that saw them wiped out, they will fail every time they are in power if they don't get some values other than power for it's own sake.

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Is it time for a new political party to replace labor?

I can see good reasons why we should be considering a Citizens Initiated Referendum system and just get rid of all these SHAM political 'parties' because this is just what they are all doing.....having a BIG PARTY at our expense.

 

 

We go from election to election (another big party for some) and what do we get, regardless of which camp gets in?......

 

same as Spotsw said ....'YADA YADA".....same .....same

 

 

Nuts and stoopid is what we are ....if we don't IMO

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Citizen's Initiated Referenda ?   No thanks.   I could just imagine it .... "Welcome back, death penalty !"

 

The public at large may be a lot of things, smart, cluey, whatever, but they are also easily manipulated by big media and powerful vested-interest lobby groups (mind you, that's pretty much what happens now Man Frustrated)

 

The political system as it stands may be flawed but on the whole it works reasonably well.

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Maybe the OP wants an AU equivalent of the Tea Party, now that would be frightening Man LOL

 

Headed by Cory Bernardi .... or Gina Reinhart

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reply to pct: ref their opinion about introducing a Citizens Initiated Referendum system to replace what we have here in Australia.

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I further add:

 

http://www.theindependentaustralian.com.au/node/34

 ..."The arguments for and against
The main arguments supporting CIR deal with making Parliament responsive to the wishes of the people, but there are some interesting extras. Thus Parliamentarians can say to pressure groups who might target them as individuals - โ€˜put your efforts into a CIR petitionโ€™. CIR would also make citizens more politically aware and help counteract cynicism and apathy. Some quotes:
โ€˜Under CIR, the people feel that they remain basically in charge of their own laws no matter what party is in power. This eliminates the feelings of fear, powerlessness and vulnerability that can lead some people to support extremist political movementsโ€™.
โ€˜The arguments raised against CIR are largely theoretical and deliberately ignore actual experience with CIR overseas. Despite scaremongering by CIRโ€™s opponents, in no State or country in which CIR exists, has it been used to make laws oppressing minorities, persecuting trade unions, abolishing necessary taxes or introducing barbaric punishments. Switzerland and California, which use CIR more than any other State or country, are among the most prosperous and popular places to live.โ€™
They might have added that the examples represent the extremes of cautious and adventurous societies.
The against arguments mostly boil down to not trusting the people. They are held to not be as wise as our politicians. This at a time when politicians are held in such low esteem!
Opponents of CIR often raise the possibility of the reintroduction of the death penalty as a possibility, since polls sometimes show a majority in favour. However the history of referenda in Australia shows that initial approval in the polls does not guarantee success. In the 1950s, despite early polls indicating a win for the repressive Communist Dissolution Bills, the tide was turned during public debate.
This is a common pattern, only deserving propositions have ben approved.
Republicans may feel unhappy about the result of the last referendum, but until republicans are united behind a single  alternative to our existing system, Australia will not become a republic."

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I'm afraid I agree with you, OP

 

Labor is an embarrassment and disgrace imo and shouldn't be collecting a cent in pay because I'm confident a gang of Grade Twelvers would do a far better job of it

 

 

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@polocross58 wrote:

I'm afraid I agree with you, OP

 

Labor is an embarrassment and disgrace imo and shouldn't be collecting a cent in pay because I'm confident a gang of Grade Twelvers would do a far better job of it

 

 


You mean like the ones supposedly running riot on CS last night - or couldn't  we even come to a consensus on how old they were?

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Is it time for a new political party to replace labor?

No.
What it is time for is the current incumbents to get on with what they pledged to the voting public they would do and to stop focusing what is past.
Otherwise they run the risk of being labeled untrustworthy and we all know what happens when that seed gets planted in the voters minds.
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P007 (if I may call you that Man Happy), thanks for the extra information about CIR's.

 

I am aware that the various referenda put to the AU public have generally fallen over, but this is under existing legislation.  I don't know the shape or form of any proposed CIR legislation so I would prefer to reserve my judgement.   I just don't want the return of the death penalty under any circumstances, but that's a different argument.  I remain suspicious of the motives of (self)-interest groups pushing an agenda that may conform with general public sentiment but still be morally wrong.

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Wait till they bring back Workchoices and those seeds will be big healthy plants.
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I'd like to see a political party that is progressive, kind, humble, competent and intelligent.

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