Is the navy lying to asylum seekers?

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Is the navy lying to asylum seekers?

I find it hard to believe they were lost
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Someone has to take the blame.

 

If it wasn't so serious, it would be pathetic.

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It seems the govt. Is blaming the navy so far
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Iza, on another thread, I made a comment in response to your criticism about the suspension of weekly briefings by Morrison.  I said that it was probably a good idea as the briefings would be more frequent, as necessary.

 

 

This from Operation Sovereign Borders Website, where you can keep up to date on operational matters:

 

SCOTT MORRISON

 

At our briefing on Wednesday I said that when the Government had something to say on Operation Sovereign Borders we would say it and hold briefings as required. That is why we are here today.

 

I should note that it had been our preference to hold this briefing early last evening, however, given the need to seek to make further contact with the Government of Indonesia on the matters we are about to report, this briefing was scheduled for this morning.

 

At the outset I wish to make clear once again that the Australian Government takes our shared commitment with Indonesia to mutually respect the sovereignty of each of our countries, very seriously.

 

As a consequence it is the clear policy of this Government not to violate the territorial sovereignty of Indonesia in relation to any operations conducted under Operation Sovereign Borders. This remains our firm policy and commitment.

 

Furthermore we take any operational failure to comply with this policy extremely seriously as a Government.

 

It was brought to my attention at just after 4.00pm Wednesday that Border Protection Command assets had, in the conduct of maritime operations associated with Operation Sovereign Borders, inadvertently entered Indonesian territorial waters on several occasions, in breach of Australian Government policy.

 

I should stress that this occurred unintentionally and without knowledge or sanction by the Australian Government.

 

After verification of this information, the Government took the initiative to make contact with the Government of Indonesia to advise them of these events at the earliest opportunity.

 

Late yesterday afternoon Australia’s Chief of Navy Admiral Griggs had a phone conversation with his counterpart in Indonesia to advise him of these events and to provide an explanation.

 

Following this conversation Foreign Minister Bishop sought to speak to her Indonesian counterpart Foreign Minister Natalegawa last night, to advise him of this conversation and to offer an unqualified apology on behalf of the Australian Government for inadvertently entering Indonesia’s territorial waters, in breach of Australian Government policy, and to provide an assurance that such breaches of Indonesian territorial waters would not reoccur.

 

A similar apology and assurance was also provided by Admiral Griggs during his conversation yesterday afternoon with the Indonesian Chief of Navy.

 

Foreign Minister Natalegawa was travelling last night and as yet the Foreign Ministers have been unable to speak. A message of apology however has been provided personally to Minister Natalegawa from Minister Bishop and a formal apology will be provided on behalf of the Australian Government by our post in Jakarta today.

 

I also note that the Government of Indonesia were advised of this morning’s media conference in advance.

 

I will ask Lt. General Campbell to comment on these issues, but before I do I wish to make it clear that the Government has full confidence in the men and women who serve in difficult circumstances with courage, distinction and professionalism within Border Protection Command and that these events have not changed this view.

 

The maritime border security operations being conducted by Australia are being undertaken to protect Australia's territorial sovereignty from the incursions of criminal people smuggling ventures originating outside of Australia.

 

Combined with our other actions, these operations are having a significant impact on the activities of people smugglers, with arrivals of potential illegal immigrants into Australia and Indonesia both in decline.

 

We deeply regret the events, however, the Australian Government remains committed to continuing to implement our policies to stop the boats.

 

We will ensure that the issues that led to these inadvertent breaches of Indonesian territorial sovereignty are rectified and do not reoccur.

 

We will seek to work with our partners in the region and elsewhere, wherever possible to achieve this outcome.

 

What the people smugglers and anyone they are trying to get on a boat need to understand is that this Australian Government will take the actions necessary to protect Australian sovereignty and stop the boats.

 

I note that while there will be interest in the precise nature of these or any other reported maritime operations, the normal policy will continue to apply in relation to public disclosure or confirmation of any such matters, for the reasons we have consistently stated and followed throughout this operation.

 

I also note that on Tuesday this week I wrote to the Opposition Spokesperson for Immigration and Border Protection, Mr Marles, offering him and the Leader of the Opposition a confidential briefing on Operation Sovereign Borders, including our maritime operations.

 

This follows an earlier briefing received by Mr Marles last year from Lt. General Campbell.

 

Mr Marles office confirmed to my office this week that he would be available to receive the briefing from General Campbell in the second week of February and that Mr Shorten would not be attending.

 

A transcript of this media conference will be issued as soon as available, and will stand as the Government’s response on the matters we have reported today.

 

I will now ask General Campbell to make his statement. After that we will both remain to take questions on the areas that relate to our respective responsibilities.

 

ANGUS CAMPBELL: Good morning.

 

As I have previously stated, I am committed to ensuring the Australian public is informed of significant events relating to Operation Sovereign Borders, as, and when, they occur.

 

On Wednesday afternoon it came to my attention that Australian vessels operating under the control of Border Protection Command unintentionally sailed through Indonesian waters on several occasions.

 

This is clearly a very serious matter.

 

I was advised of these events after a routine vessel report was examined by a Border Protection Command official. The Minister for Immigration and Border Protection was notified immediately.

 

I would like to make it very clear that, as I understand it, the personnel on these vessels believed they were at all times operating outside Indonesian waters.

 

And at no time were Australian vessels authorised to enter Indonesian waters.

 

Over the course of Wednesday evening and yesterday morning, the Joint Agency Task Force and Border Protection Command officials sought to confirm this report.

 

Yesterday afternoon, the Chief of Navy, Admiral Griggs, also speaking on behalf of the CEO of the Australian Customs and Border Protection Service, contacted his Indonesian counterpart, Admiral Marsetio, Chief of Indonesian Naval Staff, to inform him and acknowledge our error.

 

I have since written to the CEO of the Australian Customs and Border Protection Service and the Chief of Defence Force, who have co-responsibility for Border Protection Command, requesting that they jointly review the circumstances leading to the passage of Australian vessels through Indonesian waters.

 

Again, I would like to reiterate that, as I understand it, our people on these vessels believed they were at all times outside Indonesian waters.

 

As I said during Wednesday morning’s press conference, which was held well before I was aware of these events, we have never intended for our assets to enter the sovereign territory of another nation.

 

I, and I am sure all those involved in the conduct of Operation Sovereign Borders, regret any affront to Indonesia these events may have caused.

 

As Commander of the Joint Agency Task Force, I am responsible for the conduct of Operation Sovereign Borders in all its aspects.

 

I am determined that such errors, innocent as I believe they were, will not occur again.

 

I note reports in the media this morning that include claims from asylum seekers interviewed in Indonesia.

 

I remain confident that our personnel have conducted themselves to the highest professional standards.

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

 

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See post #20

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@polksaladallie wrote:

See post #20


what about it?

 

 

 

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 Is the navy lying to asylum seekers?

 

 

Another thread in the form of a question??

 

How predictable.

 

Lots of questions that are open to interpetation but not one solution offered and no commitment on any issue.

 

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I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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silverfaun
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so what!! They went into and crossed a line in the ocean.....could it be any more serious???? Has a WAR STARTED!!!!! OMG  this is terrible, a catastrophe of gigantic proportions. 

 

Well when is Indonesia  going to APOLOGISE  to us for their boats sailing into our waters every day.........WELL ?where’s the outrage???

 

 

 




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That was my first thought too Silver, but to be fair, our boats were from the Navy, representatives of Australia and the Australian Govt, Possibly even armed war ships. (I have NFI - I mighta made that bit up), but anyway, boats equipped? with Aust Gov employees carrying out Aust Gov Business (and how the hell does a navy ship "accidentally" cross the line anyway? I mean, they have lots opf special little shiny things that help em to navigate etc)

 

but anyway

 

The boats that cross our borders from Indonesia, they're not representative of the Gov or it's people, they're uncontrollable rogues who defiantly disregarded the law.

 

It is a bit different.


Some people can go their whole lives and never really live for a single minute.
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Has a war started  because of this transgression?? According to care factor 11  Hanson Young, this is the most serious event in  the history of the world.:-<

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