Islam in Australia: Living and dying for the flag of Allah

[nero_bolt]

• Sydney-based radicaal Islamic group denounce Australian flag and talk about beheading ‘non-believers’
• Tony Abbott: “the only flag that should be flying is the Australian national flag”
• Wissam Haddad: “Shahada flag ... that’s a flag that I stand and live and die for and I don’t stand and live and die for the Australian flag”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/islam-in-australia-living-and-dying-for-the-flag-of-allah/...

A SENIOR leader of radical Sydney-based Islamic organisation al-Risalah has denounced the Australian flag, as the group’s supporters posted Facebook messages about ­beheading “non-believers”.

Wissam Haddad, the head of the al-Risalah Islamic Centre in Sydney’s southwest, yesterday told The Daily Telegraph he followed the “flag of Allah” rather than the flag of Australia.

The flag, called the Shahada, is the same as the one used by Islamic State terrorists who have been spreading death and terror across the Middle East.

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I’m not comfortable personally holding the (Australian) flag because this flag does not represent me as a Muslim. My flag is the flag of Allah. That’s my flag.

I’m not comfortable personally holding the (Australian) flag because this flag does not represent me as a Muslim

“For me to have the Shahada flag, as it’s called, that’s a flag that I stand and live and die for and I don’t stand and live and die for the Australian flag.”

Mr Haddad’s comments came just hours after Prime Minister Tony Abbott told Ray Hadley on 2GB radio that “the only flag that should be flying is the Australian national flag”.

The PM sat down with community leaders yesterday in a bid to allay fears about recently beefed-up counter-terror laws.

“We’ve got a serious problem of radicalised people going to the Middle East to fight with terrorist groups,” he said.

“Some of them will want to come back to Australia and they do pose a risk if they do, because they’ve been radicalised, militarised and brutalised by the experience.”

In the past week, al-Risalah followers have posted messages about beheading, in the wake of the shocking image of Sydney terrorist Khaled Sharrouf’s son holding the severed head of a Syrian soldier.

This followed fellow terrorist and former Sydney boxer Mohamed Elomar posting similar photographs on Twitter. Al-Risalah members wear black supporter vests, which sell for $65.

The al-Risalah centre has hosted radical preachers, and Mr Haddad is a supporter of the Islamic State’s “Jizyah” protection tax on Christians and Jews in Syria and Iraq.

Also yesterday, teenage Muslim extremist Sulyman Khalid, who was arrested for an alleged hate crime against a Bankstown cleaner, has been released on bail. Mr Khalid, who calls himself Abu Bakr, will front Bankstown Local Court on September

[nero_bolt]

Its fascinating, we can discuss Israel  and many on here slander them and their people and we can discuss Palestine and hamas etc, we can discuss  Catholics and Christians and Buddhism, Hinduism etc etc etc  and we can discuss just about every other country race and people all openly BUT the second we start a discussion about Islam and Muslims out comes the racism card and the accusations of racist etc..

Why is that?

Why can’t we have a discussion about an issue that affecting the world and Australia without being accused of all the usual racist names and terms?   

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@kilroy_is_here wrote:
Well when I look around the world I don't see a small group , I see thousands of Muslims running to join the course at the moment we see a trickle from Australia , but let's face it even the biggest dam can be destroyed by a hole the size of a pin if it is not dealt with,I personally believe the time to stand up fix a problem is when it's a trickle as once it becomes a flood it will very hard to contain , arrest and deport the radicles from this country now before they they can pollute any one else , it's not good enough to howl down those who speak out it's time more of us supported a stronger response arrest warrants should be issued immediately for the Australians fighting over seas they should be charged with treason and jailed for life or deported , if they are not in the country they should be bared re entry regardless where they are born, we must show that this is not except able here in this county

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Agree KIH

[karliandjacko]

The first thing I thought of was when reading his article was about the same pub a few years back, pre-muslim days, featuring heavily in drug raid stories.

[the_great_she_elephant]

Its fascinating, we can discuss Israel  and many on here slander them and their people and we can discuss Palestine and hamas etc, we can discuss  Catholics and Christians and Buddhism, Hinduism etc etc etc  and we can discuss just about every other country race and people all openly BUT the second we start a discussion about Islam and Muslims out comes the racism card and the accusations of racist etc..

Provided we stay within Lithium's guidelines we can discuss and criticise on this board any country, religion, political group or situation  in the world. We are all free to voice our opinions - nobody can stop us .

What we cannot do is control or censor the responses of other posters to the opinions we post. If we perceive ourselves as having been shouted down, all that means is that the majority of posters here do not agree with us.

[i-need-a-martini]

Boris - I read that Tim Blair article the other day and was taken about at how a national newspaper managed to allow such a sorry piece of journalism into print. Can you imagine the furore if he had written something equally as ignorant and racist about Italians in Norton Street Leichhardt or Macedonians in King Street Rockdale or Chinese on Forest Road Hurstville? Or Australians on Gerrale Street at Cronulla??

Was there any point to it? And the title was laughable - the last pub indeed. (It failed to mention that it is a cockroach infested old school pub in a style fast becoming extinct everywhere in Sydney cause old boozers like the ones who frequent it are a dying breed).

I had the distinct (and I suspect real) feeling that he simply drove down Haldon (?) Street and rolled down his car window for an interview with the first 'aussie' he could find.

And not a whimper of protest was heard anywhere.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@nero_wulf wrote:

Its fascinating, we can discuss Israel  and many on here slander them and their people and we can discuss Palestine and hamas etc, we can discuss  Catholics and Christians and Buddhism, Hinduism etc etc etc  and we can discuss just about every other country race and people all openly BUT the second we start a discussion about Islam and Muslims out comes the racism card and the accusations of racist etc..

Why is that?

Why can’t we have a discussion about an issue that affecting the world and Australia without being accused of all the usual racist names and terms?   

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Perhaps because the opening posts are generally racist to start with?

[kilroy_is_here]

To use your own line that gets trotted out Muslims are not a race so their for they can't be racist

[i-need-a-martini]

I've never trotted out that line. Nor did I mention the word "Muslims".

The OP talks about Islam although the word 'muslim' is "trotted" out quite a bit by said poster also.

But either way, I'm not quite sure what your point is? 

[kilroy_is_here]

Another terrorist attack foiled in Bali and an American jerno beheaded but we have nothing to fear it's only a small group of extremist

[karliandjacko]

please excuse my ignorance but what's a jerno?

[k0llectable5]

It's a journalist Karli