Jake Bilardi - who do we blame for him?

[i-need-a-martini]

Another event that highlights the nonsense that sometimes surrounds the young men who stupidly go off to fight with IS.

We often hear on here that the parents are to blame for bringinging their hatred of the ''infidels'' to australia and instilling it into their children. Ignoring the grief these parents are clearly suffering.

And yet here is another case that defies that logic.

A young catholic boy from a seemingly good home who gets sucked into the whole propaganda.

As Bob would say, discuss.

[gleee58]

stupid, stupid, stupid

[polksaladallie]

Oh dear!   I'll be off to get passports tomorrow for me and my family.

[Anonymous]

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@am*3 wrote:
Something I don't understand how it works is -Julie Bishop cancelled his passport due to his activities . Before or after he left I am not sure. If it was before, he would have needed a fake passport to travel on?

If it was after he left, what happens if that person (presumeAust citizen) if they decide to come back to Australia?

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it was cancelled after.

bishop cancelled it last october on the advice 

of security agencies.

i don't understand it either but i presume if he

was returning to australia he would be detained

at the airport ??

[***super_nova***]

Just because he calls himself atheist does not mean he was not brought up as a catholic.  But whatever; the important point is that his family was not Muslim, he was not taught the hatred of infidels by his parents.  Just as most Muslim kids are not taught anything like that by their parents, and most parents of the kids that went to fight with ISIS are absolutely devastated.  They came here to make better life for their children, worked hard all their lives, and the kids are never going to come back.  Most will be killed in no time, and if somebody makes it back, they will spend rest of their lives in jail.

[Anonymous]

for some reason he felt it important to point out that

he identified himself as an atheist from a young age.  

he came across as mature and intelligent, to hold such

strong ideological views - not an average australian

teenage boy.

A radicalisation expert says Australian teen jihadist Jake Bilardi felt a sense of injustice and was an intelligent young man.

Curtin University Professor Anne Aly told Neil Mitchell the young man was a critical thinker who was almost obsessed with global issues.

According to the post, Bilardi's research into the invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan led to his "disdain for the United States and its allies" and the beginning of his "love of Islam".

Bilardi's love of the mujahideen — jihadists — changed from political to religious admiration around the time of the Arab Spring, the post said.

It said his support for Islamic groups in the Middle East grew as he kept researching, and culminated in him seeking to join them.

[cherry*135]

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@gleee58 wrote:

stupid, stupid, stupid

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That is just plain crazy. 

[icyfroth]

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@am*3 wrote:

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@gleee58 wrote:

stupid, stupid, stupid

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That is just plain crazy. 

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No not really. They were talking about this on Hack the other night. People like Jake, no sense of belonging, maybe  bullied at school, craving for attention, they're easily targeted by recruiters on social media for suicide missions.

It gives them a chance to be part of a community, a sense of purpose, earns them a certain respect. They're easy prey.

[cherry*135]

Yes, really, that is my opinion and I stand by it.  That article is ridiculous in its assumptions.The Hack (whatever that is) is just people's opinions/assumptions.

He doesn't appeared to have been bullied at school either. A few of his school friends have spoken about him and none mentioned that. You shouldn't make comments like that unless you know them to be factual.

The death of his mother  (from cancer) at 15, had a profound effect on him. That had nothing to do with divorce or atheism.

Suicide killer - 18 yo dead - what sense of community does that give one?

[azureline**]

All I can think is..................

He shouldn't have lost his dad to divorce............................

Dad's shouldn't divorce their children, should they?

It's a good thing to have ideals and channel them into the right action, however, it's a good thing he went there, instead of doing it here.

[cherry*135]

j2010 wrote:

i don't understand it either but i presume if he

was returning to australia he would be detained

at the airport ??

A person with a cancelled passport wouldnt be allowed out of the country they are trying to leave, I wouldn't think? Although, if that country didnt want them, I suppose they would just let them get on a plane to the country they have citizenship in.

If that country was Australia, then the person would be arrested on arrival, fbecause of their terrorist activities.