Jake Bilardi - who do we blame for him?

[i-need-a-martini]

Another event that highlights the nonsense that sometimes surrounds the young men who stupidly go off to fight with IS.

We often hear on here that the parents are to blame for bringinging their hatred of the ''infidels'' to australia and instilling it into their children. Ignoring the grief these parents are clearly suffering.

And yet here is another case that defies that logic.

A young catholic boy from a seemingly good home who gets sucked into the whole propaganda.

As Bob would say, discuss.

[Anonymous]

you say it with such certainty.

what about the other australians that joined

 IS to fight against the 'west'?  are they all

mentally ill?  motivated by suicide?

[cherry*135]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

Doesnt mean his family were atheists.

he said they were - according to the interview

with sbs.

Family  - could just be his siblings or could include their late mother, aunts, uncles, grandparents. Father not part of his life.

The following is from SMH about cancelled passports:

 Australia has narrowly averted several terror plots planned by extremists who wanted to travel overseas but had their passports cancelled.

However, terrorism expert Nick O'Brien, from Charles Sturt University, said it was not realistic to allow jihadists to simply leave and not come back, especially because citizens cannot be rendered stateless.

"It's far better to stop these people and try to find out why they're going over, and use it to stop others … rather than just washing our hands of the responsibility," Mr O'Brien said.

[cherry*135]

A bit more about his family in this article

 Bliardi thought kin ‘out to kill him’

THE AUSTRALIAN MARCH 14, 2015

 ....By the time he was 14, Bilardi was starting to ask religious questions that would lead to his conversion.

Inside the brick, single-storey home where he grew up in Melbourne’s north, not everyone was happy with the youngest child’s decision to abandon the family’s atheist leanings for Islam.

[Anonymous]

Family  - could just be his siblings or could include their late mother, aunts, uncles, grandparents. Father not part of his life.

yes but i think the point was that he didn't

have a religious upbringing.

[curmu-curmu]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

you say it with such certainty.

what about the other australians that joined

 IS to fight against the 'west'?  are they all

mentally ill?  motivated by suicide?

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Sorry Julia...I've no idea, and I'm not about to comment on them, as I know nothing about them. Their reasons could be any of hundreds. Lumping them in the same basket as Jake Bilardi is straw manning.

Jake's case on the other hand, has been pretty well-documented, with some damning insights from his blogs, his peers, and a good deal of conjecture as well.

I've no idea what motivated others to join IS, nor does anyone except them. If they, as did Jake, expressly announce their desire for suicide, then I'd say YES...they are mentally ill. I cannot comprehend ANYONE wishing to take the lives of others without some form of mental instability.

[cherry*135]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

Family  - could just be his siblings or could include their late mother, aunts, uncles, grandparents. Father not part of his life.

yes but i think the point was that he didn't

have a religious upbringing.

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Pointing that way.

[Anonymous]

as did Jake, expressly announce their desire for suicide, then I'd say YES...they are mentally ill.

but that's the thing - we don't know if the

decision to carry out the suicide attack was entirely his

 - remember at first he didn't want to be a suicide 

bomber because he was afraid - he instead chose to 

be a regular IS soldier.....

[cherry*135]

I've no idea what motivated others to join IS, nor does anyone except them. If they, as did Jake, expressly announce their desire for suicide, then I'd say YES...they are mentally ill. I cannot comprehend ANYONE wishing to take the lives of others without some form of mental instability.

I don't agree with that view either (which is not saying your view is not valid).

They are young, disillusioned with their present life,  maybe feel they dont 'fit in', want adventure with danger thrown in, get brainwashed by IS propaganda.

[cherry*135]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

as did Jake, expressly announce their desire for suicide, then I'd say YES...they are mentally ill.

but that's the thing - we don't know if the

decision to carry out the suicide attack was entirely his

 - remember at first he didn't want to be a suicide 

bomber because he was afraid - he instead chose to 

be a regular IS soldier.....

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That is not what he told the BBC interviewer directly (late 2014) he said he wanted to be a sucide bomber and kill others. (link in previous post of mine).

He joined IS, and says he was fast-tracked through military training as he told the group he wanted to be a suicide car-bomber. "I came here chasing death, I might as well kill as many kuffar as I can," he told me.

[Anonymous]

yes i know that was also what he said -

but not the only thing he said (sbs interview)

 it appears at some stage he changed his mind or -

as was reported (my earlier post ) it was 

changed for him...