King Fahd stadium and chop chop square

[colic2bullsgirlore]

being generally a matriarchal oriented board. I though this may be a hot topic? maybe I missed the thread???

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/parramatta/ban-on-female-fans-lifted-for-western-sydney-w...

Ban on female fans lifted for Western Sydney Wanderers diehard Kate Durnell to attend Champions League final in Saudi Arabia

• October 29, 2014 12:01AM

Chop Chop square

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/9/5/beheadings-floggingsandamputationsjusticesaudistyle.h...

The beheading of Pakistani national Izzat Gul for drug trafficking was Saudi Arabia's 46th such execution for 2014, according to Human Rights Watch (HRW). In August alone, Saudi Arabia decapitated 19 people, eight of them for nonviolent offenses, including sorcery, the rights group added.

While the beheading of ISIS captives James Foley and Steven Sotloff provoked global outrage, human rights groups decry the limited international attention given to Saudi Arabia's use of decapitation even for non violent crimes — a punishment so routine that Deera Square in Riyadh is sometimes referred to as “Chop Chop Square.”

[i-need-a-martini]

Tony Abbots not at war with Saudi Arabia.

Therefore we don't mention beheadings and female subjucation in Saudi Arabia as it only counts in countries where terrorists are based.

And anyway, until Andrew Bolt mentions it, it is not an issue worth a thread on CS.

[boris1gary]

not the only country that is part of the so called coalition fighting the un-Islamic rat terrorists 

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/10/16/382437/saudis-behind-60-of-iraq-bombings/

Saudis behind 60% of Iraq bombings: Saudi paper

Saudi nationals have orchestrated and carried out the majority of bombing attacks in neighboring Iraq, a Saudi newspaper reveals.

According to the Saudi-based newspaper al-Hayat, Saudi militants belonging to the ISIL Takfiri group have been behind 60 percent of the bomb attacks in Iraq during September and early October this year.

At least 21 bomb attacks were reportedly recorded in that time span.

The destabilizing acts mostly targeted military bases and checkpoints in different Iraqi provinces, resulting in the deaths of scores of Iraqi civilians.

Some political analysts have also confirmed Saudi Arabia is one of the main training centers and logistic supporters of Takfiri terrorists in the region.

On Monday, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi spoke openly about the countries that support the ISIL Takfiri terrorists, referring to Saudi Arabia and some Persian Gulf Arab states.

"Many provocateurs exist inside Saudi Arabia and some of the Persian Gulf regions and they embrace the same Takfiri discourse as ISIL," the Iraqi premier said in an interview with al-Hurra, a US-based Arabic-language satellite TV channel.

"ISIL is now posing a threat to several countries such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey,” he said, adding, “They knew that well, but they imagined that they could use them to pressure their enemies and their rivals in the region."

[colic2bullsgirlore]

An extreme lack of sportsmanship or something underlying a little more sinister ???

ie a total lack of respect

https://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/blogs/middle-east-football-matters/fans-condemn-al-hilal-star-for-...

Not only did Nasser Al-Shamrani of Saudi Arabia outfit Al-Hilal - nicknamed "The Earthquake" for his ability to shock the opposition - headbutt Wanderers defender Matthew Spiranovic as the match was in its dying moments, he did something worse still after it.

Spiranovic wanted Al-Shamrani to realise that what he did with the headbutt was unacceptable as the Sydney side celebrated their first ever AFC Champions League title.

But instead of responding verbally, Al-Shamrani's riposte came in the form of a frankly disgusting piece of unsportsmanlike behaviour: he spat at his opponent (as you can see from the footage below)

The headbutt and spitting incidents were not the only shameful ones on display as the Saudi side and their fans struggled to accept that the result of the final had not gone in their favour over the two legs.

Just 14 fans of the A-League Australian club were allowed to enter the country, including just one woman, and they were left to watch on in horror as laser-pointers were repeatedly used to target the pupils of Wanderers goalkeeper Ante Covic.

It's not as though the Wanderers players were not prepared for all of this, however.

"It'll be a hostile crowd and they will bring out all the tricks to try and put us off our game," Spiranovic told Fairfax Media earlier in the week.

"But I think the boys are aware of that, we know what to expect."

They might have expected the laser-pointers and the hostility from the home fans, but they certainly would not have believed that a headbutt would be followed by an arguably even more disgraceful spitting incident.

[fourandsixpants]

Friday, every week is execution and decapitation day in 'the square'. Westerners are always led to a front row seat. A hand or two are decapitated for certain crimes e.g. for theft. A head is decapitated for a variety of offences. The persons selected for a head decapitation are 'bled' before the performance so as not to cause too ghastly a scene and drugged to be more compliant.

[*lady*godiva*]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

Tony Abbots not at war with Saudi Arabia.

Therefore we don't mention beheadings and female subjucation in Saudi Arabia as it only counts in countries where terrorists are based.

And anyway, until Andrew Bolt mentions it, it is not an issue worth a thread on CS.

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Hold on though.

I think that the beheadings carried out in Saudi Arabia are a part of their legal system - the death penalty as it were - the US are up to 31 for the year. (as at October 29) (It peaked at 98 in 1999, which is 19 more than the Saudi average of 79)

I don't think either country boasts about it or posts film of it on you tube.

In Saudi, just as in the US, they are State ordered executions. The ISIS executions are not. It is no different to John Citizen taking on the role of judge and jury and performing an execution.

Therein lies the difference. The ISIS is bragging about their actions. They WANT media attention. heck they demanded ransom from the US before executing Foley and Scottloff.

None of the allies condone (or publicly condemn) the practises in Saudi, so it's not just an Australian thing. Then again, we also shake hands with the US, and they perform executions in the name of the law too. The Saudis are applying State laws, not terrorising the rest of the world. Saudi are one of the 8 countries and two global organisations that have recognised ISIS as a terrorist group. 4 of those countries still have the death penalty, One abolished it in 2004, England and someone else in about 1994 and 1998. Australia abolished the death penalty in the 1920's - 7 decades ahead of our allies in the war on terror.

Saudi have executed 46 people so far in 2014? ISIS executed that many people in one day. October 15, 2014. On June 10, they got about 600

Besides, the Saudis are our mates, why on earth would we want to **bleep** off a country that performs beheadings and actively assists the allies with ISIS? For every Saudi that goes to war against ISIS, that's one less Australian that has to go. Plus Saudi is pretty close to the real action. I'd prefer they engage in war on their land than on ours. I have no problem with keeping it all on the other side of the world where we have a chance of limiting damage to Australia and its inhabitants.

Yeah, I know. It's not very human rights of me.

2014 ISIL beheading incidents

[*lady*godiva*]

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@paintsew007 wrote:

Friday, every week is execution and decapitation day in 'the square'. Westerners are always led to a front row seat. A hand or two are decapitated for certain crimes e.g. for theft. A head is decapitated for a variety of offences. The persons selected for a head decapitation are 'bled' before the performance so as not to cause too ghastly a scene and drugged to be more compliant.

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This guy describes it a little bit differently

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/10/24/when-it-comes-beheadings-isis-has-nothing-over-saudi-arabia-27738...

[katydidthat]

England's last execution was in 1964, Australia's last was in 1967. Both legally abolished abolished capital punishment after these dates, except for QLD which (somewhat progressively) abolished capital punishment in 1922.

I heard on the radio earlier today that the person who was photographed with his son holding up severed heads had a history of mental illness, had done jail time, was on a list of people forbidden to fly overseas, but had used his brother's passport to travel on.

[i-need-a-martini]

godiva - iraq also has the death penalty and beheadings (pre-IS) are legal and do/did occur. It is part of their legal system so, in theory, the excution by beheading of westerners who they have deemed 'spies' is legal. 

However, I believe that the point that the OP is making is that there are numerous threads on here specifically about how barbaric, backward, dangerous, sexist muslims are.  Beheadings, stonings, lack of human rights and laws forcing women to cover up are the examples brought forward constantly.But they only reference back to Iraq and IS. And other countries are hardly ever mentioned.

We get comments like "You stick up for muslims, therefore you support terrorism and the beaheadings."  or "you support Isalmic sexism if you accept the burqa". Not those words exactly but the sentiments are the same. That is the mind set.

The OP is asking if anyone has anything to say about the same things happening elsewhere like in SA. I think he was hoping to have some level of debate about the subject but from a different angle.

But you will note, that his thread has hardly any responses.

[*lady*godiva*]

it is legal if commissioned by the state, not the citizens themselves.

"The OP is asking if anyone has anything to say about the same things happening elsewhere like in SA."

i had something to say. I think my angle was different

I don't support terrorism, but I do support a country's right to implement a law that they deem appropriate for their culture and that the citizens, residents and visitors are free to leave if they don't like the conditions there.

Indonesia has the death penalty for drug trafficing. I think it was 5 countries that allowed for beheadings. The US allows (dependent on state) gas, lethal injection, firing squad and I think hanging.

That's their laws.

I wasn't aware of islamic sexism

I can only comment based on my own mindset. I cannot speak on behalf of others and their mindsets.

and I don't know why any of that was Tony Abbotts fault, I am not following that line of reasoning. None of the allies condone or condemn the actions of saudi.

I explained somewhere why I believe the focus is where it is and not on other countries such as Saudi.

When Corby got busted for drugs, the focus was on Indonesian legal systems. Now it is ISIS and their desire for publicity and promotion that is putting the focus where it is.