Living with the Enemy on SBS

[ufo_investigations]

I just watched LIVING WITH THE ENEMY on SBS.  The story about Ben the Aussie going to live with Lidia and Ahmed the muslims. Lidia is an Aussie and was raised Catholic and converted to Islam. Ahmed was born in Saudi Arabia.

What did I learn?

- Muslim women wont shake hands with a male person their not related to. (Very rude).

- When husband and wife muslims pray in their own house, the wife has to pray behind her husband. (Women are not treated as equals even in their own house).

- Christians are not allowed to visit Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Why? Because you have to be muslim to be allowed.

- Mosques can be built all over Australia but we can't build a Church in Saudi Arabia.

- The Quran tells muslims to kill people.

- In the mosque women are behind the curtain at the back. It's their own area. Why? Because the men have to be in a different section. Why? To give women privacy. This is the reason they cited. The real reason I believe is not to cause desire in the men.

- When they went shopping they visited a halal butcher to buy lamb shoulder. Ben wasn't consulted. What if he wanted pork chops?

- They went to Bondi to do an "Aussie thing called surfing". Lidia went swimming in her full Islamic clothing then when she came out of the water she placed a towel around her depicting the Australian flag.

[punch*drunk]

What a fool, this is where muslims are shooting themselves in the foot and giving the racists (yes I know muslim is not a race) more ammunition against them. Clearly he fully supports ISIS or he would have said he didnt.

But on the other hand, I fuly believe these radical muslims are being deliberately divisive because creating further hate and mistrust towards muslims helps them recruit more radicals.

[ufo_investigations]

I don't understand why the religion of peace hates Jews.  They are supposed to bow down to them and praise them; see this quote from the holy book the koran.

"O children of Israel, remember my favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I favored you above all creation." (Qur'an 2:47). 2:122).

[Anonymous]

For Julia, this is the second time you have accused the quotes I have posted as coming from the Old Testament when in fact they came from the New Testament. The last time was when I provided examples of Christian beheadings.

sincere apologies for accusing you.

will try to find the thread to see my error.

[Anonymous]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

For Julia, this is the second time you have accused the quotes I have posted as coming from the Old Testament when in fact they came from the New Testament. The last time was when I provided examples of Christian beheadings.

sincere apologies for accusing you.

will try to find the thread to see my error.

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is this it?

martini posted:

Sharia Law is a moral code that does exactly what the Christian Bible does - it explains how to live you life.

It tells you to be respectful to your neighbours, to take care of your parents as they get older, to give to those less fortunate, not to have sex before you get married, eat a healthy diet for a long life etc. THAT is the Sharia law most Muslims live for.

It's a bit like that other book of rules. You know the one - the Bible? That's the one you probably live your life by. Lucky for us you haven't taken the most obscure passages out of your Bible and followed some of those rule or you would be in prison right now.

i posted:

ok i am curious - what are those passages?

i cant think of anything that Jesus would teach that could

make you commit crime ???

martini posted:

Well as it is on topic, wasn't it David that went forth and started beheading the Philistines on the strength of the word of the Lord?

There are plenty of passages easily searched if you need more.

i posted:

isnt that the jewish bible?

we are discussing current beliefs and

you were making comparisons between the koran and

the christian bible but you're quoting jewish bible.

now - i know that there are probably people who dont

think there is a difference but i'm sure christians and jews

will disagree with you

martini posted:

Umm. No. It is definitely in our Bible. 

And there are plenty of others. Isn't it Salome that beheads John the Baptist? And this is in the NEW Testament too. Fancy that hey? Even after us Christians are 'enlightened' we still go around chopping peoples heads off...

ok, i see my error.  i think.

i referred to the old testament as jewish bible

but i cant find anywhere where you quoted from

the new testament and i accused you of qouting

from the old ??

and as to:

And there are plenty of others. Isn't it Salome that beheads John the Baptist? And this is in the NEW Testament too. Fancy that hey? Even after us Christians are 'enlightened' we still go around chopping peoples heads off...

are you sure salome was a christian?

edit:

i dont think i accused you of quoting from the

old testament on this thread either ????

[cherry*135]

UFO wrote;

"You just don't get it. Unbelievable. If you want to bow down and serve false gods you are destined for hell."

Who is that aimed at - Catholics only?? So the rest of us are safe from hell if we eat vegemite?

[Anonymous]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

New testament. Old testament. It matters not. Both are still available.

And so are the texts of many older and different reiligions. The old testament is pre-Christian. it just got included in our current day Bible because it suited the purposes of the then powers that be. The new testament is the Christian text and stands alone, not depending on the old testament, which, in fact, describes a different god, or at least a god which has different attributes.

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Not quite true, Jesus was a Jew and followed Mosaic Law. 

""Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Matthew 5:7

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“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished”

so if  chritians are following the mosaic law -

does that mean that jesus failed at what he came

to fulfill?

http://biblehub.com/hebrews/8-13.htm

[katydidthat]

Vegemite is certified as Halal.

[Anonymous]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

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why does chocolate need to be certified halal

in the first place? because of the ingredients.

it has to contain halal certified gelatine. 

what does that mean?  the animal that it came from

had to be ritually slaughtered.

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Cadbury's Old Gold Dark Chocolate does not contain gelatine. It contains nothing from an animal. 

Therefore no sacrifices to the Gods. No prayers or blessings made prior to packaging.Yet it is halal because this assures Muslims that they are able to eat it.

So how does UFOs justify his comment that I will go to hell for eating it because apparently I have worshipped another God?

That is the one and only question I have been asking to be answered clearly.

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i have no idea which products contain

the halal sticker.

Emulsifiers (E470 to E483) - haraam if obtained from pork or non-halal sources.

if it contains the above then it needs to be

halal approved.  i assume ufo is only referring

to those products that contain the sticker.

i'm sure ufo is not the only one who

believes that people with certain beliefs

will end up in hell.  whether people say it

to my face or behind my back - really makes

no difference to me LOL but i can see how

some may be offended if you respect it enough.

[ufo_investigations]

re: "So how does UFOs justify his comment that I will go to hell for eating it because apparently I have worshipped another God?"

There is only One God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

[Anonymous]

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@katydidthat wrote:
The link it to last night'sLateline where the interviewee is an Australian Muslim. It's a bit argumentative, but worth watching or listening to. I'd be very interested in comments.

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considering he represents hizb ut-tahrir -

not surprised at his views. 

although for some reason i was hoping

he would at least be critical  about the image

of the australian boy holding severed heads

like trophies but nope.

i think it is naive to think he is an idiot.