Malcom ripped Albo on Lateline

[windrake]

Anybody watch Lateline last night?? Wow, not really a fan of Malcom's but he destroyed Albo on the NBN & shone a light on the lies & cost.

He did very well considering he had to counter 2 opponents, Albo & Alberici.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3824057.htm

[freakiness]

typical Turdbull

[***super_nova***]

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The $20.000 per month that entails  something a suburban street dweller will never need or use.

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You are forgetting that there are many businesses that are run from homes.  My son in law has a very successfull software company, which he runs from wherever he is, he employes number of people, they all work from home in whatever country they live in - he has programmers in USA, Russia, Finland and some other countries.  One of the reasons why my daughter and her husband went to live in Europe was that it was difficult to operate his business in Melbourne due to the pathetic broadband service. 

Think back few years ago how little bandwidth we needed for what we were doing, now we are all using 10x (if not more) what we were using then, and we pay less for it.  As the technology is coming up with more and more applications, we will all need more and more bandwidth, and it will continue to be getting cheaper and cheaper. 

The benefits will far outweigh the costs in the long run.  That is the problem with the LNP, they have no foresight, they are only interested in winning the next election.

As far as cost goes; well, name one giant important project that did not run over budget, and name one of these projects that we now say it would have been better if they were not done.

[the_great_she_elephant]

I'm a bit confused. As I understand it, in some regions customers are already connected to NBN via fibre to the premises.  If the LNP get in, will they disconnect thosese customers and reconnect them via fibre to the node, so everyone is on the same service, or will we end up with a two tier system where some  customers have fibre to the premises, while newer ones  end up with the slower fibre to the node  service..

[freakiness]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

I'm a bit confused. As I understand it, in some regions customers are already connected to NBN via fibre to the premises.  If the LNP get in, will they disconnect thosese customers and reconnect them via fibre to the node, so everyone is on the same service, or will we end up with a two tier system where some  customers have fibre to the premises, while newer ones  end up with the slower fibre to the node  service..

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We will end up with the haves and have nots.

There is a chance the haves will get hit up for extra expense as their service is superior to the old copper from the node. Turnbull has gone so far as to say that any copper that needs replacing will be replaced with new copper, not fibre.

[***super_nova***]

I would imagine that once you are connected you are in, they will not be replacing the fibre with copper.  And as far as I know those people who got their free connection are paying very reasonable amount for their access - something like $30 a months.  Although that is not for the top speed, it is still a big improvement on what they had before.

[freakiness]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

I would imagine that once you are connected you are in, they will not be replacing the fibre with copper.  And as far as I know those people who got their free connection are paying very reasonable amount for their access - something like $30 a months.  Although that is not for the top speed, it is still a big improvement on what they had before.

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It depends on the plan and the RSP.

I like internode so I don't have the cheapest plans but I'm extremely happy with the plans I have and It costs me half as much as the old service and I save another $80 per month by not needing a traditional phone service.

My daughter in Canberra stayed with Telstra as they have a bundle with mobiles and Foxtel. She's happy as their service is way better and it's cheaper than their dodgy ADSL was.  Other daughter on interim satellite is saving a lot compared to the ABG sat service and has a larger quota.

[para-sights]

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@freakiness wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

I'm a bit confused. As I understand it, in some regions customers are already connected to NBN via fibre to the premises.  If the LNP get in, will they disconnect thosese customers and reconnect them via fibre to the node, so everyone is on the same service, or will we end up with a two tier system where some  customers have fibre to the premises, while newer ones  end up with the slower fibre to the node  service..

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We will end up with the haves and have nots.

There is a chance the haves will get hit up for extra expense as their service is superior to the old copper from the node. Turnbull has gone so far as to say that any copper that needs replacing will be replaced with new copper, not fibre.

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Not to mention there may even be more of a spin off effect where houses/rentals will jack up their prices because they are in 100 speed zones

[purplecarrot-top]

We are house sitting 34 kilometres out of Hobart. Relying on wireless broadband. I just took an hour to load and watch a film clip. We need the NBN. It will be faster better and more reliable and hopefully less will rely on  wireless broadband.

[not_an_eloi]

how's burnbull's flamin' lies, $20,000 per month for a 1Gbps residential (any household, that is) NBN fibre connection

[freakiness]

Nice summary of the argument from lateline

http://sortius-is-a-geek.com/?p=3255

The Lateline debate held on Monday between Malcolm Turnbull & Anthony Albanese was met with both anticipation & trepidation from National Broadband Network supporters. We were all excited to finally see the NBN take centre stage for a debate, & were cautious of both Turnbull’s history of becoming belligerent when challenged, & Albanese’s being so new to the job.

It seems, both were well founded, with Turnbull resorting to arrogant overtones early on, & Albanese getting some basic figures wrong. Emma Alberici, the host, attempted to maintain control, however the utter disrespect Turnbull has for anyone who asks pertinent question prevented any semblance of a rational debate forming.