Malevolent Shysters Are Damaging Australia

WHAT self-serving, malevolent shysters - deliberately damaging Australia and blaming Tony Abbott for it. Who are these hypocrites who betray Australia, peddle a traitor's leaks and demand we surrender to Indonesia, just to destroy a Prime Minister they hate?

 

But Scott's hypocrisy is trumped by the Greens'. In 1999, Greens leader Bob Brown was demanding an "international peacekeeping force" invade Indonesia, if that's what it took to free East Timor.

But now? These same Greens are shocked - shocked - that we tapped the phones of Indonesian leaders and they cry crocodile tears at "the damage that the unregulated surveillance state is doing to our diplomatic relationships".

 

Are these people mad? Have they forgotten that Indonesia, today a democracy under a friendly ex-general, was only recently less benign and tomorrow might be again?

 

Don't they realise the phonetapping in 2009 occurred only a month after yet another Islamist bombing, this one killing three Australians in Jakarta, when Australia needed to know how serious Indonesia was in tackling extremists?

 

Of course, the Greens are simply adolescents in permanent revolt against Father. They are at heart irresponsible, not to be trusted with real power.

 

But what excuse is there for Labor leader Bill Shorten? On Tuesday he sided with the Greens, Fairfax journalists and extremist Islamist group Hizb ut Tahrir in demanding Abbott apologise to Indonesia.

 

"I believe, for instance, that the example of the United States in the way that it handled a similar issue with Germany provides the opportunity for us to consider the same course of action," he told Parliament.

 

Shorten was referring to President Barack Obama's response to another Snowden leak, which revealed the US had monitored the calls of German Chancellor Angela Merkel. Obama - foolishly - rang Merkel to apologise and, his spokesman said, "assured the Chancellor that the US is not monitoring and will not monitor the communications of Chancellor Merkel".

 

BUT Indonesia is not Germany. And, if Abbott gives such a guarantee to Indonesia, he'll be under pressure to give the same to the leaders of Cambodia, Vietnam, Malaysia and whoever else demands one. And if the next Snowden leak shows us spying on Chinese leaders, what does Abbott do next?

 

The Fairfax media, mad with Abbott hate, is doing its best to help, seeming at times to blame Abbott for spying actually done under the Rudd government.

Worse, Fairfax writers are virtually united in insisting Abbott give Indonesia the apology we cannot afford. Indeed, most are on Indonesia's side. Don't doubt that. Hatred of Abbott and his signature boats policy is driving much of this hysterical media coverage and **bleep** the national interest.

 

Hear it from Jack Waterford, of the Fairfax Canberra Times: "There are many people, including me, who want to see our shameful policies fail."

 

Hear it also from Richard Ackland, of the Fairfax Sydney Morning Herald, suggesting the Indonesian President sends an armada to topple Abbott: "Best way for SBY to respond to spying is to open the spigot on refugees. Put 50,000 on boats, point them at Oz. Goodbye Abbott."

The hypocrites. The scoundrels. And is it too much to say they've sold out their country?

 

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Omg who needs enemies with people like these in our own ranks?

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I think the problem with this incident (aside from it being poorly handled by the government) is that it comes on the back of a number of other issues that have riled Indonesia recently.

 

And perhaps this will be a good lesson in diplomtic relationships for our (relatively green) new government.

 

On saying that I don't understand why he still hasn't responded to Indonesias formal letter? He did say today that he would act swiftly...

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"I want to express here in this chamber my deep and sincere regret about the embarrassment to the president and to Indonesia that's been caused by recent media reporting," he said.

 


 

 

 


LOL yes, that is exactly the problem!!!!!   He expressed regret in our parliament, about "media reporting"!!!!!!?  He should have been on the phone talking to the president.  It is not about "media reporting", it is about multiple insults to Indonesia.

And as i already said 100x here; of-course Labor supports him, just as he supported the Labor government when the spying was authorised, that is how such things are handled.  When it comes to spying and spy scandals they close ranks.  No surprise about that.  And I'd bet you anything there were number of other taps done before and after these ones.


"Mr Abbott said he would respond "swiftly, full and courteously" to a written request for an explanation."

Well, if he got on the phone to start with it would not get so bad and he would not have to be responding in writing, but then again he is such a hopeless speaker that he probably would not be capable to handle something so delicate on the phone.  But written explanation is going to be either totally insufficient or it will come back and bite him. 

 

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

I think the problem with this incident (aside from it being poorly handled by the government) is that it comes on the back of a number of other issues that have riled Indonesia recently.

 

And perhaps this will be a good lesson in diplomtic relationships for our (relatively green) new government.

 

On saying that I don't understand why he still hasn't responded to Indonesias formal letter? He did say today that he would act swiftly...


Mr Abbott wouldn't be the first Aussie politician to cause a diplomatic row with Indonesia:

"Keating also continued to pursue greater relationships with countries throughout Asia, in particular Indo-China. In December 1993, he became involved in a diplomatic incident with Malaysia when he described Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad as "recalcitrant". The incident occurred after Mohamad refused to attend the 1993 APEC summit. Keating said, "APEC is bigger than all of us – Australia, the U.S. and Malaysia, and Dr. Mahathir and any other recalcitrants." Mohamad demanded an apology from Keating, and threatened to reduce diplomatic ties and trade drastically with Australia, which became an enormous concern to Australian exporters. Some Malaysian officials talked of launching a "Buy Australian Last" campaign; Keating subsequently apologised to Mohamad over the remark. "

 

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Mr Abbott wouldn't be the first Aussie politician to cause a diplomatic row with Indonesia:

"Keating also continued to pursue greater relationships with countries throughout Asia, in particular Indo-China. In December 1993, he became involved in a diplomatic incident with Malaysia when he described Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad as "recalcitrant". The incident occurred after Mohamad refused to attend the 1993 APEC summit. Keating said, "APEC is bigger than all of us – Australia, the U.S. and Malaysia, and Dr. Mahathir and any other recalcitrants." Mohamad demanded an apology from Keating, and threatened to reduce diplomatic ties and trade drastically with Australia, which became an enormous concern to Australian exporters. Some Malaysian officials talked of launching a "Buy Australian Last" campaign; Keating subsequently apologised to Mohamad over the remark. "

 

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That was ONE incident when Mahathir Mohamad took offence to one word; to call him "recalcitrant" was not unjustified under the circumstances.  And the incident was dealt with.

Yes, of-course there were other moments in our history when Australia upset other nations.  But this is happening now, is of a great importance and is being mismanaged. 

It is one insult after another by the LNP and their staff.  They are behaving like 5 year olds who still think that they are the centre of the universe and that Asian countries should consider us superior.    We might be rich, but we are small nation, and they are growing economically, and will not put up with our superior  & racist attitude.

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

@icyfroth wrote:

 

 



Mr Abbott wouldn't be the first Aussie politician to cause a diplomatic row with Indonesia:

"Keating also continued to pursue greater relationships with countries throughout Asia, in particular Indo-China. In December 1993, he became involved in a diplomatic incident with Malaysia when he described Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad as "recalcitrant". The incident occurred after Mohamad refused to attend the 1993 APEC summit. Keating said, "APEC is bigger than all of us – Australia, the U.S. and Malaysia, and Dr. Mahathir and any other recalcitrants." Mohamad demanded an apology from Keating, and threatened to reduce diplomatic ties and trade drastically with Australia, which became an enormous concern to Australian exporters. Some Malaysian officials talked of launching a "Buy Australian Last" campaign; Keating subsequently apologised to Mohamad over the remark. "

 

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 How soon we (choose to) forget


That was ONE incident when Mahathir Mohamad took offence to one word; to call him "recalcitrant" was not unjustified under the circumstances.  And the incident was dealt with.

Oh of course. Because it was a Labor leader we can play that right down, hey.

 

Yes, of-course there were other moments in our history when Australia upset other nations.  But this is happening now, is of a great importance and is being mismanaged. 

It is one insult after another by the LNP and their staff. 

 

What were the other insults?

 

They are behaving like 5 year olds who still think that they are the centre of the universe and that Asian countries should consider us superior. 

 

Well they seem to consider that as well else why would the be accepting financial aid for education, superstructure, and military aid?

 

We might be rich, but we are small nation, and they are growing economically, and will not put up with our superior  & racist attitude.

 

Wer'e not that rich. We're in debt by billions of $$$ and looking to borrow more.

 

 


 

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Liberal advisor making disrespectful tweets about the indo  PM looking like a philipino pornstar.....

 

Check twitters  #sby and see the racists calling Indonesians 'monkeys', then wonder why they burn our chinese flags.

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Who'd know what a pilipino pornstar looks like anyway?

 

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Who'd know what a pilipino pornstar looks like anyway?

 


Not sure...people started questioning him on his knowledge about that type of stuff.

 

Either way, not the time for a grown man to be childish.

 

Everytime something bad happens lately with any party there is always some back bencher or advisor who puts their foot in their mouth.

 

 

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What insults?!!!  What about making policy announcements (towing boats back into Indonesian territory, buying boats, bribing people for info) which would involve Indonesian co-operation without asking them first, and then when questioned about that little detail, saying " we do not need to ask Indonesians for permission"?  Everything the LNP say about the Indonesians & other Asian countries/politicians is condescending, some bordering on racist. 

 

What does it matter what a particular porn star looks like; saying that he looks like porn star is insulting.  just as if somebody said about TA or JB that they look like prostitute, or pimp, or any other considered unsavoury character.  And what sort of idiot would be tweeting something like that in middle of an international incident.

 

You say that we are not that rich?  Well, we are one of the richest countries in the world with one of the lowest debt. 

 

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