Many in Aged Care Allowed to Die Peacefully without CPR

 


Most nursing home managers and staff do not support giving cardio-pulmonary resuscitation to elderly residents who suffer heart attacks, and the technique has been found to be ineffective in reviving most.


 


While the policy of most nursing homes is to administer CPR, a survey of managers of the homes by Dr Bill Silvester, who heads the Respecting Patient Choices program based at the Austin Hospital, found fewer than one in five thought heart attack patients should be revived.


 


The reality was that in three-quarters of the homes no CPR was used in the past year, and in the few where it was, it was used only once, Dr Silvester said. ''It would appear that frequently residents were found deceased or were known to be dying and were allowed to die peacefully"


 


The results of the study prompted calls for new national guidelines on when CPR should be used.


 


Dr Silvester said in his analysis of the study findings: ''We would also recommend that guidance be provided on when and how to discuss this with residents and their families. NSW Health state that it is reasonable to withhold


 


CPR without explicit discussion with the patient or family if a) the resident or family do not wish to discuss it, b) the resident is aware that they are dying and has expressed a desire for comfort care or c) the facility does not provide CPR as a matter of course, consistent with the values and practices relevant to its population.''


 


Of more than 400 managers surveyed, fewer than 20 per cent thought CPR should be used in cases of ''witnessed cardiac arrest'', despite four out of five homes surveyed having a policy of providing CPR if the need arose.


 


''This revealed a significant difference between what the staff thought would be appropriate for their residents and what they were expected to do,'' Dr Silvester wrote in the report.


 


He cited international studies showing that on average fewer than 1 per cent of residents who had heart attacks and were given CPR survived and returned to the aged-care ho me.


 


He said the use of CPR on aged-care patients appeared to be driven by an expectation of what medical staff needed to do, rather than its effectiveness. ''The reason we did this study was we were appalled at the number of elderly people being resuscitated in aged-care homes and being brought into hospital and ending up in the intensive care unit.


 


''So we asked the ambulance people why this was, and they said they had no choice. And then we asked the nursing homes and they said it was because of expectation.''


 


The findings come on the eve of a conference in Melbourne on planning end-of-life medical care.



 


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No Punch :-x, like us, in our 60's, it is not physically possible for us to give care for a man who has dementia but is still active and has times where he does not know us or even himself. 😞 He objects to having his family care for his bodily needs as well.


Sometimes he refuses food.


Last week he climbed a fence, a 2 metre one. Our house would need to be a fortress.


We want quality care for him, not an ego boost for us. If anyone thinks you can take care of someone at home, in his condition forever, they are being unrealistic. His daughter was supposedly doing it and strongly objected to his being placed in care but he was very unwell, losing weight, living in an unclean house, his needs were not being met. That is abuse, imo.

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My MIL (now deceased) had dementia...She'd always been a bit 'odd', so we didn't realize for a while what was going on.  She lived alone and OH visited her a couple of times a week.  I went to visit one day and discovered she had practically no food in the fridge, and had forgotten how to use a can opener and was gouging tins open with a screw driver.   We had also given her some $$ each week to supplement her pension.   When we finally found a place for her in a home, we found about $3000 taped under the bottom of a chair! She'd been squirrelling it away.

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Thou shalt not kill; but need'st not strive officiously to keep alive:


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Well you can lump me in the selfish and uncaring category, my dad is declining and we are doing our best to keep him living at home. When he cant live independantly any more, he'll be going into care. Neither my sisters or myself have the ability or means to care for him in our own homes, so I guess that makes us terrible children?



 


Read my words again.  I was referring to perfectly healthy older persons who DO NOT need care.


 

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Are there private Retirement Homes (not Govt funded)? Where an elderly person can choose to go into  when they want to (a unit or bed in the home) and they are financially able to pay all the fees themselves?


 

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There are lots of people in nursing homes who are reasonably healthy and have a lot more years to live.


 


I was referring to perfectly healthy older persons who DO NOT need care.


 


 


Big difference between reasonably healthy ad perfectly healthy.


 


Their children wouldn't be able to dump them in a Aged Care home then if they are perfectly healthy (mentally and physically) and who do not need care (they would not meet the criteria).


 


Some build granny flats in their back yard  for a parent (s) if that is possible space wise and financially.


 

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Are there private Retirement Homes (not Govt funded)? Where an elderly person can choose to go into  when they want to (a unit or bed in the home) and they are financially able to pay all the fees themselves?


 



Currently looking for one but can't find any. So far all I have found, have Gov funding. ACAT assessment is needed for a place.


 

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Their children wouldn't be able to dump them in a Aged Care home then if they are perfectly healthy (mentally and physically) and who do not need care (they would not meet the criteria).



 


Yes they are, and yes they do.  Ever heard of porkies?


 

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Yes they are, and yes they do.  Ever heard of porkies?


 



 


How do they get in then, without an ACAT?

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How do they get in then, without an ACAT?



 


Yes, I would be interested in that answer too.


 


The elderly person is interviewed themselves for assessment. My mother was assessed several times to see if she was still able to continue live in her own home. I was staying with her when one of the assessments was done. She was to answer all questions herself, no input from anyone else.


 


When she had a fall and went to a retirement home for respite, her Dr arranged an assessment again. My brother and I were present  for that. The assessor questioned our mother...being a bit hard of hearing it was a slow process. We couldn't tell porkies to get her admitted if it didn't match up with what she was saying.


 


A perfectly healthy (which is in mind and physically) person would not be assessed as needing care under the current system.

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