Many in Aged Care Allowed to Die Peacefully without CPR

 


Most nursing home managers and staff do not support giving cardio-pulmonary resuscitation to elderly residents who suffer heart attacks, and the technique has been found to be ineffective in reviving most.


 


While the policy of most nursing homes is to administer CPR, a survey of managers of the homes by Dr Bill Silvester, who heads the Respecting Patient Choices program based at the Austin Hospital, found fewer than one in five thought heart attack patients should be revived.


 


The reality was that in three-quarters of the homes no CPR was used in the past year, and in the few where it was, it was used only once, Dr Silvester said. ''It would appear that frequently residents were found deceased or were known to be dying and were allowed to die peacefully"


 


The results of the study prompted calls for new national guidelines on when CPR should be used.


 


Dr Silvester said in his analysis of the study findings: ''We would also recommend that guidance be provided on when and how to discuss this with residents and their families. NSW Health state that it is reasonable to withhold


 


CPR without explicit discussion with the patient or family if a) the resident or family do not wish to discuss it, b) the resident is aware that they are dying and has expressed a desire for comfort care or c) the facility does not provide CPR as a matter of course, consistent with the values and practices relevant to its population.''


 


Of more than 400 managers surveyed, fewer than 20 per cent thought CPR should be used in cases of ''witnessed cardiac arrest'', despite four out of five homes surveyed having a policy of providing CPR if the need arose.


 


''This revealed a significant difference between what the staff thought would be appropriate for their residents and what they were expected to do,'' Dr Silvester wrote in the report.


 


He cited international studies showing that on average fewer than 1 per cent of residents who had heart attacks and were given CPR survived and returned to the aged-care ho me.


 


He said the use of CPR on aged-care patients appeared to be driven by an expectation of what medical staff needed to do, rather than its effectiveness. ''The reason we did this study was we were appalled at the number of elderly people being resuscitated in aged-care homes and being brought into hospital and ending up in the intensive care unit.


 


''So we asked the ambulance people why this was, and they said they had no choice. And then we asked the nursing homes and they said it was because of expectation.''


 


The findings come on the eve of a conference in Melbourne on planning end-of-life medical care.



 


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would not put my dog into eventide or freemasons sandgate



 


Thank you marfield.  I was reluctant to say something like that.   😮


 


 

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A bit far from us anyway but the ones I have looked at without a tour, I have been happy with. Waiting on a call back from one now. Sadly the ones that only allow tours and have a 1300 number appear to be the worst.

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Well, I am back again  after lunch, and my prediction was correct.


 


 



 


Another snide remark.

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they put my grandma in the sandgate one 😞 X-(


 


yes, it was the only one they could get her into, but they could have moved her into the guest quarters and paid for a carer - my grandma wasn't sick. she was just old and couldn't look after herself very well.


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they put my grandma in the sandgate one 😞 X-(


 


yes, it was the only one they could get her into, but they could have moved her into the guest quarters and paid for a carer - my grandma wasn't sick. she was just old and couldn't look after herself very well.



 


Hope she was OK there.  That's the trouble, there are so many people needing places and not enough places.  All governments need to put lots of $$ into aged care or there will be big problems in the future.


 

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they put my grandma in the sandgate one 😞 X-(


 


yes, it was the only one they could get her into, but they could have moved her into the guest quarters and paid for a carer - my grandma wasn't sick. she was just old and couldn't look after herself very well.



 


Oh, your grandma - that home was very good in the past.  Possibly when she was there.  It was restricted then to masons or widows of masons.  But now anybody can go there.


 

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I did volunteer work in the office of a Retirement Home  two years ago. The reception/managers office foyer area was very nice and updated, but the actual residents parts was very old and institutional like. All the rooms were shared rooms.


I am not sure whether the actual care there was good or bad, but it was pretty grim, not very good facilities.- 2 parts - secure and not secure.

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I did volunteer work in the office of a Retirement Home  two years ago. The reception/managers office foyer area was very nice and updated, but the actual residents parts was very old and institutional like. All the rooms were shared rooms.


I am not sure whether the actual care there was good or bad, but it was pretty grim, not very good facilities.- 2 parts - secure and not secure.



 


The person I was getting advice from said to take no notice of the exterior and fittings, because the poshest looking homes can be "not good", and the drabbest looking can be wonderful.  I guess is is a matter of pot luck.


 

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Oh, your grandma - that home was very good in the past.  Possibly when she was there.  It was restricted then to masons or widows of masons.  But now anybody can go there.


 



 


I know she got in because of Freemason connections, but I don't know what they were. My grandpa died in 1977. Maybe my grandpa was a Freemason? I don't know, I was very young when he was alive, but my dad knows their handshake and says he can recognize it if someone uses it, but that's as much as any of that has ever been discussed with me.


 


I don't know how well she was looked after, but it was such a sad and gloomy place, and stark and just awful. My grandma was always so lively and that place just sapped all the life left she had. She just wasted away in a dreary old room desperate for people to spend some time with her, that's all she wanted, she just wanted time. The highlight of her day apart from visitors was going down to the main dining area. She couldn't even have any money to buy magazines and things because the other lady in the room used to swipe her stuff.


 


My grandma had some beautiful things and she loved her collection of the Queen memorabilia and she had so many things of my grandpa's that she treasured, but she couldn't have any of that in that horrible place.


 


They took her away from her farm, from everything she loved and just put her out of their minds and left her to die with strangers and strange things, not even her own bed. The few things she did take in with her got stolen. She was old in years, but she was never truly old before she went there and within months she aged decades.


 


My grandma deserved better than that.


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I know she got in because of Freemason connections, but I don't know what they were. My grandpa died in 1977. Maybe my grandpa was a Freemason? I don't know, I was very young when he was alive, but my dad knows their handshake and says he can recognize it if someone uses it, but that's as much as any of that has ever been discussed with me.


 


I don't know how well she was looked after, but it was such a sad and gloomy place, and stark and just awful. My grandma was always so lively and that place just sapped all the life left she had. She just wasted away in a dreary old room desperate for people to spend some time with her, that's all she wanted, she just wanted time. The highlight of her day apart from visitors was going down to the main dining area. She couldn't even have any money to buy magazines and things because the other lady in the room used to swipe her stuff.


 


My grandma had some beautiful things and she loved her collection of the Queen memorabilia and she had so many things of my grandpa's that she treasured, but she couldn't have any of that in that horrible place.


 


They took her away from her farm, from everything she loved and just put her out of their minds and left her to die with strangers and strange things, not even her own bed. The few things she did take in with her got stolen. She was old in years, but she was never truly old before she went there and within months she aged decades.


 


My grandma deserved better than that.



 


That is such a sad story Crikey.  I saw that home in 1984, and it was for freemasons or their widows then.  But our impression was very positive.  Maybe we were wrong.  The person we were considering to go there deteriorated fairly quickly and died before we had to make a decision.  I don't know anyone who had a relative there.


 


 

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