Multiculturism

[sssaau4]

What is it?

Say I come here and i am asian.

I can speak my language at home to my family, I can cook the food i like at home (or anywhere) I can do my rituals to my gods, no one will care.

So what is that multiculturalism all about?

it seems like empth words to me.

i don't understand.

i come from a different culture, english is my 2nd language.

i cook my countries food at home and hubby puts up with it or i cook him something else if it's too much of an aquired taste.

i speak english (foreign) to other people in the shops because no-one would understand a word if i spoke in my native tongue.

so what exactly is multiculturalism?

is it some ideal where i could talk in my native tongue here and expevt other people to understand me?

is it the freedom to cook my "foreign" meals as i please?

can someone please enlighten me what it actually means?

[boris1gary]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

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@boris1gary wrote:

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

Australia is a multicultural society. Different cultures and diverse ethnicity living in a single country.

With the host population expected to be totally accepting to different cultures displaying no discrimination at all.  And the immigrants being totally accepting to "integration" 

Is that how you honestly believe this country to be?

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you seem to have a very different view than reality - the only thing we all HAVE to do is abide by Australian laws, that's it. Nobody has ever been able or maybe willing to explain what this  "integration" means, this Aussie way of life that we all must integrate with, 

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Whos reality? Yours? The forums? Ebays? Channels 7's?  Reality is subjective...

Integration means being open to having relationships with anyone regardless of their race or ethnic or religious background.  Taking on the language spoken by the host country.  Abiding by the host countries laws.  Making sure most of the money you have earned working in the host country stays in the host country.  Just generally making a concerted effort to "fit in" to the community you live in and to not segregate yourself into a cultural "sub-community"

Thats my take on it anyway...

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Making sure most of the money you have earned working in the host country stays in the host country.  Just generally making a concerted effort to "fit in" to the community you live in and to not segregate yourself into a cultural "sub-community"

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well maybe your focus should be on the mining companies and corporations, 60odd% of their profit goes offshore. Do you only buy Australian made goods, never shop at aldi - these "sub communities"  does this include

Migrants born in the UK were the largest overseas-born group living in Sydney. In 2011, there were 155,000 UK-born migrants living in Sydney, comprising 4.2% of Sydney's total population.

Where are they from?

The largest contributor to Australia's migrant population continues to be people born in the United Kingdom (UK). In the 2011 Census, 1.1 million UK-born migrants lived in Australia - around one in every twenty Australian residents.

[cherry*135]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

My daughter likes to speak her second language (Engish being first) when she is out with her friend (Aust born) so no one knows what they are talking about.

Has she/he not 'integrated' LOL 

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LOL.

Can you tell me why you think she does that though am?

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I did, so no one knows what they are talking about... it is not against the law to speak in a foreign language in public in Australia.

Therefore people shouldn't be discriminated against because they do so.

As you pointed out above, a person born in Aust ..English as first language, also knows the language of their parents country.. can speak the 2nd language when out because they choose to do so.

Nothing to do with not 'integrating'.

[bluecat*dancing]

I grew up in a multi-cultural area. Kids seemed to have no problems with it except for when adults were invoved. The intolerance was always instigated by adults which filtered down to their children. From time to time, I had friends who could speak absolutely no English but that didn't bother me in the slightest and was introduced to different cultures from a very young age. Racially, I was in the minority but that didn't bother me. I ended feeling at home in Greek, Italian, Turkish, Lebanese, German, French households.

I think that adults need to come to terms with the fact that not everythng is going to be to their liking. Its called life.

[k0llectable5]

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@am*3 wrote:

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

Australia is a multicultural society. Different cultures and diverse ethnicity living in a single country.

With the host population expected to be totally accepting to different cultures displaying no discrimination at all.  And the immigrants being totally accepting to "integration" 

Is that how you honestly believe this country to be?

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Who is the host population?

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Whoever the legal citizens are of any given country that accepts immigrants.  So in this instance the host population are "Australians"  Please dont say the only Australians are Aboriginals or something like that. I'm sure you know what an "Aussie" is...

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With the host population expected to be totally accepting to different cultures displaying no discrimination at all?

The host population of Australia is made up of different cultures

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No it may be made up of different races/ethnicities/nationalities but the culture of the host population of Australia is "Australian"

[k0llectable5]

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@am*3 wrote:

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

My daughter likes to speak her second language (Engish being first) when she is out with her friend (Aust born) so no one knows what they are talking about.

Has she/he not 'integrated' LOL 

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LOL.

Can you tell me why you think she does that though am?

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I did, so no one knows what they are talking about... it is not against the law to speak in a foreign language in public in Australia.

Therefore people shouldn't be discriminated against because they do so.

As you pointed out above, a person born in Aust ..English as first language, also knows the language of their parents country.. can speak the 2nd language when out because they choose to do so.

Nothing to do with not 'integrating'.

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I dont know who said it was about not integrating.  I dont believe that this has anything to do with not integrating. 

Okay so you say it's so people cant understand what they are saying, whats the point of that though.  Why would you not want people to understand what you are saying? And as an Aussie why would she want people to think she was Fench (or whatever language it is that she is speaking in?)

[cherry*135]

A quote from the Australian voters party website: http://ausvotersparty.org.au/2012/01/multiculturalism-2/ 

There is no absolute definition for multiculturalism although it is basically the blending and developing of relationships among peoples of varying ethnic and religious backgrounds. It requires the acceptance of newcomers by long established communities without discrimination of any kind. It also requires newcomers to participate fully in their new society to ensure their integration into the social, economic and cultural background of the host community or nation. Integration is the key word in multiculturalism for without integration the population is just a number of tribes competing against each other for cultural supremacy.

This article on Multiculturalism makes some good points for and against imo...

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That link is dead.

The Australian Voters Party is not a registered Political Party, nor does it appear in the deregisterd list?

They have policies though

The Australian Voters Party believes strongly in the concept of border protection and would seek to increase our air and naval resources to monitor and repel all unauthorised intrusions across our borders.

[cherry*135]

No it may be made up of different races/ethnicities/nationalities but the culture of the host population of Australia is "Australian"

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Your opinion? I don't agree with it.

Australia is a product of a unique blend of established traditions and new influences. The country’s original inhabitants, the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples, are the custodians of one of the world’s oldest continuing cultural traditions. They have been living in Australia for at least 40 000 years and possibly up to 60 000 years.

The rest of Australia’s people are migrants or descendants of migrants who have arrived in Australia from about 200 countries since Great Britain established the first European settlement at Sydney Cove in 1788.

• More than 6.5 million migrants have settled in Australia since 1945. English is the national language but other languages are valued.

DFAT

[k0llectable5]

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@boris1gary wrote:

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

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@boris1gary wrote:

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

Australia is a multicultural society. Different cultures and diverse ethnicity living in a single country.

With the host population expected to be totally accepting to different cultures displaying no discrimination at all.  And the immigrants being totally accepting to "integration" 

Is that how you honestly believe this country to be?

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you seem to have a very different view than reality - the only thing we all HAVE to do is abide by Australian laws, that's it. Nobody has ever been able or maybe willing to explain what this  "integration" means, this Aussie way of life that we all must integrate with, 

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Whos reality? Yours? The forums? Ebays? Channels 7's?  Reality is subjective...

Integration means being open to having relationships with anyone regardless of their race or ethnic or religious background.  Taking on the language spoken by the host country.  Abiding by the host countries laws.  Making sure most of the money you have earned working in the host country stays in the host country.  Just generally making a concerted effort to "fit in" to the community you live in and to not segregate yourself into a cultural "sub-community"

Thats my take on it anyway...

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Making sure most of the money you have earned working in the host country stays in the host country.  Just generally making a concerted effort to "fit in" to the community you live in and to not segregate yourself into a cultural "sub-community"

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well maybe your focus should be on the mining companies and corporations, 60odd% of their profit goes offshore. Do you only buy Australian made goods, never shop at aldi - these "sub communities"  does this include

I am aware of that Boris, and find it appalling. But I thought we were talking more from an individual perspective.

Aldi actually do stock a fair bit of Australian grown produce...   And no I dont believe that Aldi fits into that catagory of sub-community in the same way that a vietnamese resturant in Barkley street footscray that only ever employs vietnamese speaking people.

Migrants born in the UK were the largest overseas-born group living in Sydney. In 2011, there were 155,000 UK-born migrants living in Sydney, comprising 4.2% of Sydney's total population.

Where are they from?

The largest contributor to Australia's migrant population continues to be people born in the United Kingdom (UK). In the 2011 Census, 1.1 million UK-born migrants lived in Australia - around one in every twenty Australian residents.

Those are some interesting statistics.  But all that says to me is that the UK must have a very, very lax immigration policy...

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[k0llectable5]

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@am*3 wrote:

A quote from the Australian voters party website: http://ausvotersparty.org.au/2012/01/multiculturalism-2/ 

There is no absolute definition for multiculturalism although it is basically the blending and developing of relationships among peoples of varying ethnic and religious backgrounds. It requires the acceptance of newcomers by long established communities without discrimination of any kind. It also requires newcomers to participate fully in their new society to ensure their integration into the social, economic and cultural background of the host community or nation. Integration is the key word in multiculturalism for without integration the population is just a number of tribes competing against each other for cultural supremacy.

This article on Multiculturalism makes some good points for and against imo...

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That link is dead.

The Australian Voters Party is not a registered Political Party, nor does it appear in the deregisterd list?

They have policies though

The Australian Voters Party believes strongly in the concept of border protection and would seek to increase our air and naval resources to monitor and repel all unauthorised intrusions across our borders.

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The link works okay for me...

TBH I dont care if it's just some random persons blog, they dont have to be a registered political party to make valid points about this topic...

And your problem with border protection is?

[k0llectable5]

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@am*3 wrote:

No it may be made up of different races/ethnicities/nationalities but the culture of the host population of Australia is "Australian"

____________________________________________________________________________________________________

Your opinion? I don't agree with it.

Australia is a product of a unique blend of established traditions and new influences. The country’s original inhabitants, the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples, are the custodians of one of the world’s oldest continuing cultural traditions. They have been living in Australia for at least 40 000 years and possibly up to 60 000 years.

The rest of Australia’s people are migrants or descendants of migrants who have arrived in Australia from about 200 countries since Great Britain established the first European settlement at Sydney Cove in 1788.

• More than 6.5 million migrants have settled in Australia since 1945. English is the national language but other languages are valued.

DFAT

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So you dont believe that there is such a thing as Australian culture?