on 27-06-2014 07:54 AM
My mum and I dont know what to do anymore. We are in the NT. Several weeks ago my brother defended himself against the full on intoxicated estranged spouse as she wanted him to go and buy drugs. He said no and she attacked him twice. He defended himself but since then he has found himself on dvo charges brought on by the cops.
I feel for my brother as he is a good person and dad but no one is listening to him. The cops wont take away the charges as they see it as domestic volence. They dont see it as self defense. The x sister in law wants the charges dropped but the cops wont drop them. My mum is as she puts it hitting her head against a brick wall trying to get someone to listen to her about this as my brother is an abused husband the victim. Mum says it is not the normal run of the mill case as he is a bloke not a lady. Only ladies get abused not husbands. My brother has stood by his family as his x is a druggy and cant look after the 5 kids properly. He has been their protector.
What I want to do is help my brother and his kids but I dont know how to do it..I dont know who to get mum or brother to talk to. I dont want my brother to kill himself as this is what my mum has been thinking he might do. My brother and mum need help.
Is there anyone out there who could tell me what to say to my brother to help him please? And my mum? Can someone please please help me....
28-06-2014 02:33 PM - edited 28-06-2014 02:34 PM
yes i have heard of it, i don't actually live under a rock and do read.
I made no judgement as to why the women don't co operate, just pointed out that is what happens.
edit: please feel free to remove the kudo - it will be a harsh blow to my psyche but i will somehow struggle through.
28-06-2014 02:44 PM - edited 28-06-2014 02:46 PM
on 28-06-2014 02:46 PM
on 28-06-2014 02:59 PM
I reckon the OP has played everyone.
Keep fighting amongst yourselves though.
on 28-06-2014 03:00 PM
Keep this in mind....
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on 28-06-2014 03:01 PM
Northen Territory
http://www.australiancriminallawyers.com.au/web/page/NT_self_defence
Self defence to assault offences
In any assault type offence, you can raise self defence as an issue in your case. Once the question of self-defence is put in issue, the onus is on the prosecution to disprove self-defence beyond reasonable doubt. If the prosecution fail to disprove self defence the accused will be entitled to an acquittal.
If you are going to defend a case relying on self defence you need to know the law relating to self defence. Self defence is governed in Victoria by the common law. Statutory self-defence provisions exist in the Crimes Act 1958: one for use in murder cases (s9AC) and the other for use in manslaughter cases (s9AE).
Criminal Defence - Self Defence - The Test
The High Court has defined the test for self-defence, for both homicide and non-homicide cases, as follows:
The question to be asked in the end is quite simple. It is whether the accused believed upon reasonable grounds that it was necessary in self-defence to do what he [or she] did (Zecevic v Director of Public Prosecutions (1987) 162 CLR 645 at 661 per Wilson, Dawson and Toohey JJ).
There are two elements to this test:
Raising Self defence & who has to prove what
Once the question of self-defence is put in issue, the onus is on the prosecution to disprove at least one of these elements beyond reasonable doubt. If the prosecution fail to disprove at least one of these elements the accused will be entitled to an acquittal.
Criminal Defense - Self Defence - More detailed information
The information contained below involves complex legal principles. If you do not have a good knowledge of the law you may have difficulty understanding the principles. If you need assistance, please call or email us.
Legal Principles
Belief in Necessity (The Subjective Element)
Belief on Reasonable Grounds (The Objective Element)
Where the Accused Initiated the Aggression
People who originate an attack cannot then claim that they acted to defend themselves against a counter attack, unless their original aggression had ceased at the time of the counter attack
Defence against lawful force
Common law self-defence is not limited to defending against unlawful attacks. It is possible to raise the defence even if the accused was responding to the lawful use of force (such as a lawful arrest) However, it will only be in an unusual situation that a lawful attack will provide reasonable grounds for acting in self-defence. This is because where accused people create a situation in which force might lawfully be applied to apprehend them (e.g. where they are engaged in criminal behaviour of a violent kind), then the only reasonable view of their resistance to that force will usually be that they were acting as aggressors in pursuit of their original design, rather than in self-defence
on 28-06-2014 03:02 PM
siggie - that may or may not be true. No-one can be 100% sure.
on 28-06-2014 03:04 PM
on 28-06-2014 03:06 PM
Yep, it does happen. In an ideal world, it wouldn't, but it does. It sounded like an unfair judgement to me so I do apologise if that was not your intent.
I think the police are more fed up with their hands being tied.There have been calls recently for DV to be classed as at criminal offence.The legal system is what lets down victims of DV.
I can't be stuffed figuring out how to remove the kudo so you can keep it. I usually agree with you, Pepe, so consider it a kudo in advance.
on 28-06-2014 03:09 PM
@am*3 wrote:siggie - that may or may not be true. No-one can be 100% sure.
Wrong...... the regular poster who created the id knows 100% that it's not true.
What do you think Icy?