Plane missing with 236 people on board

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-08/malaysia-airlines-lost-contact-with-plane/5307888

 

Malaysia Airlines says one of its planes has gone missing on the way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board.

A statement from the airline says flight MH370 lost contact with air traffic controllers at 2:40am local time, just over two hours into the flight.

 

The plane, a Boeing 777-200, left Kuala Lumpur at 12:41am on Saturday, and had been due to arrive in Beijing at 6:30am local time.

The company says the plane was carrying 227 passengers, including two infants, and 12 crew members.

The airline says it is contacting the next-of-kin of all passengers and crew, which includes people of 13 different nationalities.

In a statement on the airline's website, group chief executive officer Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said the airline was working with authorities to locate the aircraft.

 

"Focus of the airline is to work with the emergency responders and authorities and mobilise its full support," the statement said.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with all affected passengers and crew and their family members."

The airline says it will provide regular updates on its website.

The ABC understand Malaysia Airlines will hold a press conference on the incident shortly.

 

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to am3, this is serious.....so pls be respectful in your comments:

 

..."     Search widened as Malaysia probe finds scant clues

The so-far fruitless search for a missing Malaysian airliner entered its fourth day on Tuesday, as sources in Europe, the United States and Asia voiced growing scepticism that the flight lost with 239 people on board was the target of an attack.

The massive search has drawn in navies, military aircraft, coastguard and civilian vessels from 10 nations, but failed to turn up any trace of the Boeing 777-200ER that vanished about an hour into a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing early on Saturday......"

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@am*3 wrote:
The Air France plane?

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In the case of the Air France plane, it was five days of intensive searching before the first floating wreckage was found. It took nearly two years to locate the remains of the aircraft on the ocean floor 12,000 feet below, broken into thousands of pieces by the impact with the water.
Location of the wreckage may be aided by underwater locator beacons on the airplane's flight recorders, if they have not been damaged in the impact like those on the French plane were.

Ah, okay. Did the plane just drop off the radar like this one? Did they find out what happened?

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http://www.examiner.com/article/malaysia-jet-hidden-by-electronic-weaponry-20-ew-defense-linked-pass...

 

Did Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 with 239 people aboard tragically disintegrate in mid-flight, as official investigators postulate? Or has it been disappeared with electronic weaponry used in electronic warfare that at least twenty passengers' employer is contracted by the Department of Defense to make, as this reporter posits?

While four passengers who boarded a missing Malaysian jet are under special  investigation for stolen and other passport-related issues, twenty passengers were involved in cutting edge electronic technology used for defense purposes, including electronic warfare, such as weapons that can "cloak" or make planes invisible, appearing to vanish. If this is the case with the missing jet, the event points to terrorism.......

The public is told that investigators report the missing Malaysian jet possibly "disintegrated" into thin air.

Two aspects not reported regarding the mystery are: 1) using today's electronic weaponry, a plane can seemingly "vanish," and 2) passengers aboard the missing Malaysia jet linking to contracts with the Department of Defense defense and high-tech electronic weaponry.

Today's electronic warfare (EW) capability includes weaponry that can hide planes. Electronic weaponry is not only available, it is being deployed. Is this being used to hide or "cloak" the "vanished" plane?

Cloaking technology

New electronic weapons allow jamming, blinding, deafening and more, so that a plane could possibly vanish from radar detection and security systems would not be activated. Basic radar Electronic Counter-Measure strategies used in electronic warfare (EW) are: 1) radar interference, 2) target modifications, and 3) changing electrical properties of air.

For example, a U.S. intelligence assessment described to The Daily Beast by current and former U.S. intelligence officials, concluded any Israeli attack on Iran would go far beyond fighter plane airstrikes and would likely deploy EW against Iran’s electric grid, Internet, cellphone network, and emergency frequencies for firemen and police officers.

“For example, Israel has developed a weapon capable of mimicking a maintenance cellphone signal that commands a cell network to “sleep,” effectively stopping transmissions, officials confirmed. The Israelis also have jammers capable of creating interference within Iran’s emergency frequencies for first responders.”

In a 2007, “the Syrian military got a taste of this warfare when Israeli planes ‘spoofed’ the country’s air-defense radars, at first making it appear that no jets were in the sky and then in an instant making the radar believe the sky was filled with hundreds of planes.”

Last year, it was announced that new stealth technology makes airplanes invisible not only to radar, it also renders them hidden to the human eye as well — “just like an invisibility cloak in a Hollywood sci-fi thriller,” reported Military.com.

China had just touted its work on a “cloaking” technology using a hexagonal array of glass-like panels to bend light around an object, obscuring it from view, as though hidden by an invisibility cloak. Experts confirmed that the technology was legit — and not unlike American and European projects from the past few years.

“The general public … might not hear about how far the U.S. has really come, because it is and should remain classified,” firearms expert Chris Sajnog, a former Navy SEAL, told FoxNews.com. “Other countries are still playing catch-up — but they’re closing the gap.”

Military.com stated, “But while classified work progresses, several public projects from universities and military supply companies show just how real this futuristic technology is.”

“Major arms developers such as BAE Systems readily acknowledge work on this kind of technology, such as the Adaptiv program, which aims to hide armored vehicles.”

“The U.S. military is among many who have expressed interest in Adaptiv, which could be transferred to other platforms, such as ships and helicopters,” said Mike Sweeney, a spokesman for BAE.

On the other hand, some experts dispute these new technologies can work at all.

“Invisibility cloak is a poorly chosen term,” Thomas Way, associate professor of computing science at Villanova University, wrote to FoxNews.com in an email. “Invisible to what? We already have stealth aircraft that are invisible to radar (usually), but there is absolutely no way given our current understanding of physics that something could be made invisible to the naked eye… If that’s what they are claiming, it’s a hoax.”

In Electronic Warfare jargon, however, electronic countermeasure exists. ECM is an electrical or electronic device designed to trick or deceive radar, sonar or other detection systems, like infrared (IR) or lasers.

ECM can be used offensively and defensively to deny targeting information to an enemy.

The system can “make the real target appear to disappear or move about randomly. It is used effectively to protect aircraft from guided missiles.

“Most air forces use ECM to protect their aircraft from attack. It has also been deployed by military ships and recently on some advanced tanks to fool laser/IR guided missiles. It is frequently coupled with stealth advances so that the ECM systems have an easier job. Offensive ECM often takes the form of jamming. Defensive ECM includes using blip enhancement and jamming of missile terminal homers.”

Austin-based Freescale Semiconductor (NYSE:FSL) launched a major initiative dedicated to serving RF power needs of U.S. aerospace and defense (A&D) sector. It has a team of specialists dedicated to supporting defense customers.

Freescale confirmed yesterday that of the 239 passengers on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, 20 are employed by the leading edge electronic company: twelve from Malaysia and eight from China......."

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I don't see any mention of the passengers cell phones ringing....although I could have missed it (having to scroll!).

 

Usually (always?) if a cell phone is turned off or broken a call will go right to voice mail....many passengers cell phones are ringing when called.

 

*that's the word around the watercooler at work....no link*

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@*jimmy1717* wrote:

I don't see any mention of the passengers cell phones ringing....although I could have missed it (having to scroll!).

 

Usually (always?) if a cell phone is turned off or broken a call will go right to voice mail....many passengers cell phones are ringing when called.

 

*that's the word around the watercooler at work....no link*


I've seen reports about the phones ringing too.  The rellos wanted the phones to be tracked but haven't heard more about that since Monday.

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@am*3 wrote:
The Air France plane?

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In the case of the Air France plane, it was five days of intensive searching before the first floating wreckage was found. It took nearly two years to locate the remains of the aircraft on the ocean floor 12,000 feet below, broken into thousands of pieces by the impact with the water.
Location of the wreckage may be aided by underwater locator beacons on the airplane's flight recorders, if they have not been damaged in the impact like those on the French plane were.

Ah, okay. Did the plane just drop off the radar like this one? Did they find out what happened?


Nev - yes. The incident is similar. There were no mayday calls and the plane just vanished. The black box didn't send out any traceable signals even though it was working. There was no debris.

 

They eventually found the black box a few years later and it recorded all the warning alarms and recorded what the captain was doing to try and get the plane upright but didn;t recall any conversational analysis or reports from the captain during the critical moment.

 

That plane went down due to pilot error.

 

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to ineeda: "....

....They eventually found the black box a few years later and it recorded all the warning alarms and recorded what the captain was doing to try and get the plane upright but didn;t recall any conversational analysis or reports from the captain during the critical moment.

 

That plane went down due to pilot error."

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Firstly, was not the final 10 mins of the black box taped 'missing/faulty' ?

Secondly, so, we are then supposed to accept that this French plane went down due to pilot error?.....because??

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NR: "okay. Did the plane just drop off the radar like this one? Did they find out what happened"

NR active ATC/ military radar has limited range (line of sight) a couple of hundred NM, secondary radar (transponders) a little further. so aircraft do not drop off on oceanic flights but fly out of range, which  decreases with lower altitude flight.

 

P007 your knowledge of aviation technology is similar to that of your appreciation of science.

"With technology that's available today one can simply track/locate any plane by using a lap top." Nonsense not all aircraft  use the system which is in use in the continental US
"A signal from a planes black box is easy to locate." Nonsense the ultrasonic marine homing / locator signal has a range of around 3 miles in the ocean
"With all the technology around should've located by now." nonsense again. The ocean's are large, impact areas small,  and every minute  an aircraft travels 10 miles, with (when I was flying) position reporting every 30 minutes.

"Would the government hesitate to release such an image for fear of revealing the satellite system's ultraclassified capability?"

Of course they would not hesitate they would release the position & time. What technical vacuum do you exist in P007, geo-stationary satellites  designed for detection of infrared "incidents" (thermal imaging) have been around for years.

 

I would consider that attempting to use a thread such as this,  which addresses circumstances associated with the unfortunate loss of life resulting from a missing aircraft incident, to pedal your crackpot conspiracy thoughts,  shows an unfortunate lack of  social awareness and human sensitivities.   why not give it a rest.

nɥºɾ

 

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to monman: you said it and you said it on here....."when I was flying"...... many, many moons ago in a far away land....

 

In Today's Technological age a signal from a planes black box is easy to locate.....if there is indeed a black box...and it is working....and not too deep in the ocean etc. No science degree required here....as the planes last recorded location was shown to be over not too deep ocean-not nearly as deep as where the French plane went years ago.

 

 

 

'funny' how the search parties were instructed to suddenly start searching in the complete opposite direction-other side of Malaysia in fact(!) to where the planes last known location was..........convenient for 'some' perhaps?

 

 

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@paintsew007 wrote:

to ineeda: "....

....They eventually found the black box a few years later and it recorded all the warning alarms and recorded what the captain was doing to try and get the plane upright but didn;t recall any conversational analysis or reports from the captain during the critical moment.

 

That plane went down due to pilot error."

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Firstly, was not the final 10 mins of the black box taped 'missing/faulty' ?

Secondly, so, we are then supposed to accept that this French plane went down due to pilot error?.....because??


No the black box was not faulty. It was recording all of the pilots actions - every action was incorrect procedure by the co-pilot. Clearly he was panicking. In fact they all were 3 minutes in.

 

We KNOW it was due to pilot error because every button that those pilots pushed was recorded on the black box. The 5 minutes (? I remember that it was a long time) before the plane went into its fatal nose dive, the conversation between the pilots recorded what was going on ("We are stalling", "we are descending"). The black box conversation shows that the pilots had no idea if they were going up, down or if they were even moving at all. But they didn't report their problems - just kept talking amongst themselves.

 

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