Plane missing with 236 people on board

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-08/malaysia-airlines-lost-contact-with-plane/5307888

Malaysia Airlines says one of its planes has gone missing on the way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board.

A statement from the airline says flight MH370 lost contact with air traffic controllers at 2:40am local time, just over two hours into the flight.

The plane, a Boeing 777-200, left Kuala Lumpur at 12:41am on Saturday, and had been due to arrive in Beijing at 6:30am local time.

The company says the plane was carrying 227 passengers, including two infants, and 12 crew members.

The airline says it is contacting the next-of-kin of all passengers and crew, which includes people of 13 different nationalities.

In a statement on the airline's website, group chief executive officer Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said the airline was working with authorities to locate the aircraft.

"Focus of the airline is to work with the emergency responders and authorities and mobilise its full support," the statement said.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with all affected passengers and crew and their family members."

The airline says it will provide regular updates on its website.

The ABC understand Malaysia Airlines will hold a press conference on the incident shortly.

[cherry*135]

2. Why didn’t anyone spot MH370 on civilian or military radar?

This is the $64 million question and adds to the likelihood that the plane went out over the Indian Ocean, rather than north-west over Asia.
If it went north-west, it would have been over Indian and Pakistani airspace, which is heavily monitored and also in airspace monitored by the US military out of Afghanistan.

A picture of the missing Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 jetliner taken on December 26, 2011.
Primary radar, which bounces off the skin of the plane, requires line of sight. Malaysian authorities have suggested MH370 flew at very low altitudes - as low as 5000 feet- which could have masked its flight path, particularly in hilly terrain, so a north-west path cannot be ruled out entirely.
If it went south-west towards Australia and the Indian Ocean, it might have been picked up by Australia's Jindalee over-the-horizon military radar. But there is no civilian radar in the area, except at Paraburdoo in the Pilbara.
Jets using Australia's north-western airspace above 29,000 feet are required to have a secondary system that uses GPS to send a code, which then allows air traffic control to cross reference with their flight plan. But without a flight plan, the plane would be invisible.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-jet-questions-answered-20140317-hvjqg.html#ixz...

[fourandsixpants]

....reading between the lines....a little bedtime story for you am3:

http://news.yahoo.com/video/mystery-missing-malaysia-flight-370-010556641.html#/mystery-missing-mala...

see comments:

..."Yes, Jean, I totally agree with you. 

In this case, it is the babysitter's fault for letting the child wander off into another person's yard where the dog was. 

The babysitter is an irresponsible person and should NEVER be in charge of children at all. 

The dog is innocent and should NOT be put to sleep. 

The babysitter needs to be charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and the dog should be free."

[fourandsixpants]

replying to am3:....." If it went south-west towards Australia and the Indian Ocean, it might have been picked up by Australia's Jindalee over-the-horizon military radar. But there is no civilian radar in the area, except at Paraburdoo in the Pilbara.
Jets using Australia's north-western airspace above 29,000 feet are required to have a secondary system that uses GPS to send a code, which then allows air traffic control to cross reference with their flight plan. But without a flight plan, the plane would be invisible...."

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 This latest idea (being that off the west coast of Austr. is the latest designated possible/definite search locale) confirms that off the West Coast of WA is such a wretchedly CONVENIENT for 'them' then, isn't it?......

.....but the US Military has a huge presence in WA......and US satellites can see ALL parts of our globe at ALL times- including lil' ol' tin pot regional and outback WA

every news release is starting to read like a really, really bad script for a really, really bad soapie

[monman12]

AM3  have a look at the link I supplied earlier apropos cell phone tests in aircraft.

All but a couple of calls in 9/11 allegedly were made from the aircraft back of the seats phones which work using a completely different system. The others were at low altitude.

Points to taken into consideration regarding airborne cell phone operation in  passenger aircraft.

Cell tower aerial polar transmitting and receiving profiles , meaning they mainly transmit useful power horizontally and are also designed for horizontal receiving gain.

Transmitted power from a phone is low, and from within a metal tube with some apertures (windows) for RF power but with resulting attenuation.

The link explains better than I can.

nɥºɾ

[fourandsixpants]

monman says: ....."the link explains better then i can."

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go on, have a go. I implore you. Please.

[fourandsixpants]

am3 said:

"....If it went south-west towards Australia and the Indian Ocean, it might have been picked up by Australia's Jindalee over-the-horizon military radar. But there is no civilian radar in the area,...."

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What about from various military satellites in space 24/7?

.....Exmouth instalations?

[freakiness]

The story gets more and more curious. It must be torturous for the families and friends waiting to hear what happened to their family members and friends.   

[icyfroth]

Update:

Cargo link to hijack claims

Air cargo industry insiders suggest Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 may have been carrying highly valuable cargo that may possibly be the motive for the  alleged hijacking.

The claim comes as investigators reveal the Boeing 777 carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew went on a wild flight path after it changed course, climbing to 15,000m before descending to 1500m, possibly to avoid military radar.

Sources close to the investigation have told  _The West Australian  _they suspect MH370 may have flown at this low altitude past - and over - three countries.

According to cargo sources in Singapore, the plane was carrying cargo that was "highly valuable", though its nature has not been revealed.

Clarification is being sought from Malaysia Airlines.

From Here

[monman12]

" The claim comes as investigators reveal the Boeing 777 carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew went on a wild flight path after it changed course, climbing to 15,000m before descending to 1500m, possibly to avoid military radar."

IF,  the media appear to be having lessons from P007!

The published maximum operating altitude of the B777-200 series is: "Maximum operating altitude (m)13, 100". 

Descending to 1,500 m would not be a suitable radar avoidance altitude, 150m AGL more likely , as 5000 ft would be detectable at over 50 miles The sort of altitude  used by the RAF (and other air forces)  in training exercises is around 200 -500 feet depending on terrain.

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From a much repeated media report:

"extremely low altitude of 5,000 feet, which would have allowed it to avoid radar detection by using the surrounding terrain as a sonar barrier."

I wonder if they realise the "SO" in "sonar stands for SOUND.

Finally,  if the aircraft was hijacked by pilots trained in avoiding radar detection, they would  need to be well trained and unlikely to have  adopted a track over terrain, and fly at an altitude,  which would produce radar returns at a reasonable range.  If they were well trained pilots they would not have ended up  (as I believe) ditched or possibly crashed in isolated terrain.

"Highly valuable cargo", obviously P007's  "they"  or "them" were after it !

nɥºɾ

[fourandsixpants]

reply to icy who said: "....Air cargo industry insiders suggest Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 may have been carrying highly valuable cargo that may possibly be the motive for the  alleged hijacking.......

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According to cargo sources in Singapore, the plane was carrying cargo that was "highly valuable", though its nature has not been revealed....."

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"....A relative of a passenger onboard the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 shows a paper with a message from family members which reads "Hunger strike. Tell us the truth. Return us our families"......

Yes, very valuable cargo Icy.

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Reported 18th Mar 2014

REPORTS from a Maldives news organisation today said that islanders saw a "low flying jumbo jet".

The Haveeru news website has reported that witnesses saw a plane flying low at around 6.15am on March 8.

It was flying north to south-west, according to the report.

"I've never seen a jet flying so low over our island before," a witness told the organisation.

"We've seen seaplanes, but I'm sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly.

"It's not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact same thing. Some people got out of their houses to see what was causing the tremendous noise too....".................

.............The disappearance of the plane was a major topic of conversation at the International Society of Transport Air Trading in San Diego, an annual gathering of 1,600 airplane makers, buyers and lessors.

"The people that I deal with are looking at this with great concern - it appears considerable efforts may have gone into cloaking the aircraft," said Robert Agnew, chief executive of aviation consultants Morten Beyer & Agnew..........

Q.-if an aircraft was 'cloaked' how would anyone report seeing an aircraft?

again, contradiction after contradiction