Protecting children from things adult and improper. Where should the boundaries be?

[4channel]

Protecting children from things adult and improper. Where should the boundaries be?

Today children are exposed to things that 20 years ago were unheard of. As time creeps on we see more and more things that challenge belief. In film and on television, extremely violent imagery is such an accepted and major part of entertainment that some cannot enjoy a film or program unless it is violent.

In what passes for music, the lyrics are more explicit and sexually laden than they ever were. A great deal of the video clips that appear on television would be considered pornography once upon a time. Other forms of music such as some rap have lyrics about killing people, guns and putting down women in the worst possible way.

Something that would be laughed off as impossible years ago, children before they can even walk properly are now exposed to adult entertainers such as drag queens as part of some supposed education or enlightenment program. Some of these drag queens have names of male and female genitalia. Some have names that relate to sexual scents and arousal. Some even have gone as far as doing stripping routines, twerking, teaching twerking, and  other blatant sexually suggestive behaviour. They are even reading childrens stories that are an alternative to the male and female relationships or the birth genders..

Children are playing violent video games which are much more graphic and interactive than what they were in the past. Many are not interested in a video game unless it is violent. They can play for hours and hours on these games, either connected to their own source or a source that is online. Some of the games are so violent that some adults are sickened to the degree that they refuse to even talk about it. Others that do find it almost impossible to comprehend.

* Where should the boundaries be set or where should they have been set?

* What effect is this having on children today?

* How will things be in ten or twenty years time?

[springyzone]

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@katistrophik wrote:

Sorry to bang on, but I just remembered something.......

Back in the day [waaay back] when I was in high school, a required book to read was Lord of the Flies.

Any one read that ? IMO a horror story in it's own right.

Spoiler

Yes I am ducking my, head waiting........

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Great book. Yes, a horror story, but thought provoking.

It makes you think of how thin the veneer of civilisation can be and the impact of peer pressure.

I read it at school and have read it again since. I've had to give away hundreds of books (no room) but that is one I kept.

[ambercat16]

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@springyzone wrote:

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@katistrophik wrote:

Sorry to bang on, but I just remembered something.......

Back in the day [waaay back] when I was in high school, a required book to read was Lord of the Flies.

Any one read that ? IMO a horror story in it's own right.

Spoiler

Yes I am ducking my, head waiting........

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Great book. Yes, a horror story, but thought provoking.

It makes you think of how thin the veneer of civilisation can be and the impact of peer pressure.

I read it at school and have read it again since. I've had to give away hundreds of books (no room) but that is one I kept.

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But it is FICTION.  I think the reason I hate the book so much (well, hated it when I read it probably 50 years ago) is that the premises in the book were taken as truths.  I recently read this article which went some way to restoring my faith in humanity😊

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys... 

[4channel]

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@davewil1964 wrote:

My question would be "What sort of parent allows a 7 year old an iPad, much less unsupervised access to it?"

Parental responsibility, yet again.

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This issue goes way beyond parental responsibility. There are even times when responsibilities are taken out of the hands of parents. What doesn't make the job of parents any easier is the rate that technology is intruding into people's lives and the people who are supposed to handle censorship, watching  material content are not doing their job properly.

It seems they are incompetent , not caring , having some deviant  disposition themselves .............  or on the take $$$$$$

[countessalmirena]

Do you mean that YouTube, for instance, should ban material that is not PG? In particular, material that might be regarded as obscene or pornographic?

I know that you can report content on YouTube, and that some content is age-restricted. Of course, it is difficult to ensure that children cannot see material that is inappropriate for them to view. Parents have an unenviable job in protecting their children from online content.

[4channel]

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@countessalmirena wrote:

Do you mean that YouTube, for instance, should ban material that is not PG? In particular, material that might be regarded as obscene or pornographic?

I know that you can report content on YouTube, and that some content is age-restricted. Of course, it is difficult to ensure that children cannot see material that is inappropriate for them to view. Parents have an unenviable job in protecting their children from online content.

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I wasn't referring to Youtube. Anyway there is a sign in and confirm age setting they have which makes it harder.

I was referring to video games, music CDs and what  gets played on the radio etc.. Did you know a 10 year old child can walk in to a music store and buy a rap CD that has lyrics about shooting people, rape, filthy and disrespectful language and lyrics referring to women being biatches and whores?

Also parents send their kids to pre-school and school and they have no idea what their kids are being exposed to or indoctrinated with.

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@4channel wrote:

Also parents send their kids to pre-school and school and they have no idea what their kids are being exposed to or indoctrinated with.

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Get rid of them all and home school!

[4channel]

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@countessalmirena wrote:

Do you mean that YouTube, for instance, should ban material that is not PG? In particular, material that might be regarded as obscene or pornographic?

I know that you can report content on YouTube, and that some content is age-restricted. Of course, it is difficult to ensure that children cannot see material that is inappropriate for them to view. Parents have an unenviable job in protecting their children from online content.

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What is your view on rappers who promote violence and criminality in ftheir music being brought into aspects of every day life to promote products and services? How to you feel about them being in kids movies?

[4channel]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

4 channel wrote: Do you remember the tragic case of little James Bulger?

I do and it was, as you say, a tragic - not to mention horrorific - case. As I recall the boys who killed him were both from grossly abusive and dysfuntional families. I don't however recall anyone suggesting they were motivated by violent movies or video games. 

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When I first heard about this horrific and tragic event, I read an article a very short time later and it did state that Bulger's killers played violent video games. It also mentioned that there was evidence that they sexually interfered with him. Fast forward to the present day and we see that the games have become more violent. The graphics now are so sophisticated.

This is just a thought here. We know that toddlers and early age school children are being exposed to adult entertainers, namely drag queens in libraries who read them stories that are at times about gender fluidity and genders other than traditional binary of male and female. We've seen evidence of sexualisation with drag queens being announced in the presence of children with names of sexual arousal and genitalia [1] as well as teaching twerking [2] etc. In the UK a drag queen with a thinly veiled name relating to oral sex was allowed to read to children! [3] How does this sit in the young developing minds later on when or after they are exposed to other things such as violent video games and so-called music [4] which promotes violence, misogyny, criminal activity, greed and drugs etc.?

Could the result in later years, pubescent or post-pubescent be a gender-confused male with a propensity to commit violent acts of a sexual nature?

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Science Daily

Science News
from research organizations

Video games influence sexist attitudes

Date: March 28, 2017

Source: Iowa State University

Summary: The images and roles of female characters in video games send a powerful message that can influence the underlying attitudes of gamers. Researchers found a link between video game exposure and sexism in a new study of more than 13,000 adolescents.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/03/170328105908.htm

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Once upon a time children were given board games, construction sets, bikes, drawing books, musical instruments. They made tree houses, played ball etc.. What went wrong?

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References
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* 1. Youtube.com, Millenial Millie channel, "Story Hour Drag Queens Protest Against Parental Rights"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKfGlBGNWaU

* 2. Youtube.com, AdamAndEveNotSteve channel, "Drag queen teaches kids to twerk at library story hour"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VA72t7o24I

* 3. The Scottish Sun, 25 February, 2020 - "FLOW AWAY Raging parents demand drag queen Flow Job removes pictures of kids from ‘highly sexualised’ Instagram after school visit" - Katy Pagan
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5320992/drag-queen-school-flow-job-pictures-children-parents/

* 4. Youtube.com, Armstrong Williams channel, "Is Hip Hop Culture destroy Our Youth & Communities?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCaKb8El5S8

[zanadoo_56]

It's up to the parents to make the best decisions for their kids on what they watch, read, play or whatever.  Why should anyone else be expected to impose restrictions where their input would not be wanted.....and might not actually accomplish anything.

* Where should the boundaries be set or where should they have been set?

That horse has well and truly bolted if you want authorities to handle it. 

* What effect is this having on children today?

My brother's kids turned out OK, and they are now married and raising kids of their own who are doing fine.  My niece acknowledged there had been drugs at the high school she attended but laughed off any worries about taking them herself because her parents were sensible, warned her of the dangers and set a consistent good example of how to live.

* How will things be in ten or twenty years time?

Who knows?  If all these percieved wrongs are banned history has shown they are more appealing to people (young and old) because they are banned.  Think of the Prohibition Era.  What a joke that was.

Have you watched the latest music clips lately?  If the kids can even understand what the artists are actually singing more power to them. LOL   I've seen nothing overtly sexual in these clips either.  I admit I can't stand rap because there's no music in what they 'sing' but I have noticed that a lot of it has a social message that is NOT sexual or about guns or putting women down.  Quite the opposite.

I don't see drag queens, of all people, to be evil or whatever hangup  it is you have about them.  And twerking for goodness sake?  It was a fad along with the macarena and other dance routines like the Twist (50s) and even worse, the Jitterbug (30s/40s) where you could get a good look at your date's undies as she was tossed around the dance floor.  If you look at the advertising on TV these days, the fashion appears to be daggy dancing which is even more embarrassing than twerking and the macarena put together.

Games could be a danger, not so much about their content but playing online against opponents around the world can become an obsession.  Playing without a break for hours and hours with no sleep and no meals or drink is a recipe for disaster re their health.  Any parent who allows that is neglectful - but it is up the parents to regulate it and that includes making sure the games are age appropriate and hopefully not violent.

BTW does anyone remember the TV series Number 96, made in the 1970s.  There are some episodes that I don't think you could show on TV these days. LOL  People have got more prudish in some ways now compared to in the 70s.  How the wheel turns.

[4channel]

@zanadoo_56

Regardless if the horse has already bolted, people should expect something to be done when it comes to protecting children. It's a well-known fact that people in governments would have a leaning to the interests of big business rather than the well-being of the people they're elected to represent. But consistent pressure from the public via letters and organized lobby groups has been shown to be effective

Well, your brothers kids may have turned OK from your perspective. They may actually have turned out OK as well!

I don't agree with what you've said about the banning of things. In some instances.  But banning child porn doesn't make it more attractive. And it's not wrong to ban child porn. And it's not wrong to make drugs like Ice illegal either!

Some rap contains social message. A lot doesn't! I've seen violent rap videos for years. I briefly saw some early this year. I've heard kids playing violent rap in public. Yes, lyrics about violence, biatches and hoes etc. etc. etc..

So do you think a drag queen explaining twerking to toddlers and early age children is OK? Twerking usually involves a person rubbing their rear end against the genitals of another person. And is it OK that drag queens havve suggestive names like Cu*ti Hornay, Macey Sum Cox, Muffy Fishbasket, Flow Job,  etc.? There have been drag queens introduced to children with names that are representative of genitals & sexual arousal, genital and sexual scents, oral sex etc., and probably body fluids if we were to look for that. How on earth can that be appropriate? In Australia there have already been reports of inappropriate behaviour. One Aust. drag queen has online pics of himself with two men, he is fondling the genitals of one of them. It's not a hang up to be concerned about what little kids are exposed to!

QUOTE: "but it is up the parents to regulate it and that includes making sure the games are age appropriate and hopefully not violent."

Some parents are so busy they cannot monitor what their kids are watching. Some parents do not have skills and have weak morals.