on 02-03-2021 12:54 PM
Protecting children from things adult and improper. Where should the boundaries be?
Today children are exposed to things that 20 years ago were unheard of. As time creeps on we see more and more things that challenge belief. In film and on television, extremely violent imagery is such an accepted and major part of entertainment that some cannot enjoy a film or program unless it is violent.
In what passes for music, the lyrics are more explicit and sexually laden than they ever were. A great deal of the video clips that appear on television would be considered pornography once upon a time. Other forms of music such as some rap have lyrics about killing people, guns and putting down women in the worst possible way.
Something that would be laughed off as impossible years ago, children before they can even walk properly are now exposed to adult entertainers such as drag queens as part of some supposed education or enlightenment program. Some of these drag queens have names of male and female genitalia. Some have names that relate to sexual scents and arousal. Some even have gone as far as doing stripping routines, twerking, teaching twerking, and other blatant sexually suggestive behaviour. They are even reading childrens stories that are an alternative to the male and female relationships or the birth genders..
Children are playing violent video games which are much more graphic and interactive than what they were in the past. Many are not interested in a video game unless it is violent. They can play for hours and hours on these games, either connected to their own source or a source that is online. Some of the games are so violent that some adults are sickened to the degree that they refuse to even talk about it. Others that do find it almost impossible to comprehend.
* Where should the boundaries be set or where should they have been set?
* What effect is this having on children today?
* How will things be in ten or twenty years time?
on 03-03-2021 01:46 PM
Give it a rest 4chan, you're ranting again. Don't be surprised if the mods lock this thread too.
on 03-03-2021 01:53 PM
I'm a bit concerned that all this obsessive trawling through the internet for things to get outraged about may be affecting your wellbeing, 4channel.
on 03-03-2021 01:58 PM
Indeed - it certainly is a mighty healthy boost for the immune system.
on 03-03-2021 02:06 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:44channel wrote: Today children are exposed to things that 20 years ago were unheard of. As time creeps on we see more and more things that challenge belief. In film and on television, extremely violent imagery is such an accepted and major part of entertainment that some cannot enjoy a film or program unless it is violent.
Oh for the good old days and all those wholesome, strictly non violent cartoons. Meep! Meep!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aDvTJCr42k&ab_channel=WhatJustHappened%3F
True to a degree sheele, but today the graphics are REAL, they honestly are as close to the real thing you can get. Call of Duty comes to mind...I have walked in on occasion and for a second thought I was watching a movie.
Games like Fortnight are animations and cartoonish, as were the Road runners and Bugs Bunny's back in the day, and I think it is the reality today that blurs the lines.
In GTA a player can have 'xes' with a prostitute in a BUSH - I mean, what the actual f....
on 03-03-2021 02:12 PM
@4channel wrote:How did we ever get to this?
IMO, even if someone created a game like this with a 100% guarantee that only adults would be able to play it, they would need their head read. Children are interacting with this all over the world. Laws should be passed that anyone even conspiring to create these types of games be locked up. And for the duration of their custody be subject to regular rounds of Singapore styled punishment. in its most severe form.
So now we are advocating for Singapore styled punishment which is a cultural practice of corporal punishment where adults and children are caned as a disciplinary measure. Where children are concerned we refer to such treatment as child abuse in Australia, and it is illegal. And we do not openly torture adult offenders.
“These practices of caning are largely a legacy of British colonial rule in Singapore.” And that is exactly where they should stay.
on 03-03-2021 02:18 PM
Just when I thought it couldn't get any more ridiculous - BINGO.
on 03-03-2021 04:22 PM
@*tippy*toes* wrote:Give it a rest 4chan, you're ranting again. Don't be surprised if the mods lock this thread too.
OK, *tippy*toes*, if you don't like a person or a topic then that's fine. That's your right. Please note that there are others who are interested in this debate / discussion.
on 03-03-2021 04:27 PM
Okey Dokey - then - let's give tippy - a Singapore Sling Type Punishment for giving her opinion.
on 03-03-2021 04:30 PM
@katistrophik wrote:If this is just a hopeful re-enactment/continuation of the other locked thread, it ain't gunna last long
Oh the 15 member club ?
on 03-03-2021 04:37 PM
@countessalmirena wrote:The issues with material - games, books, films, etc. - that contain violent elements, particularly violence without consequence - include desensitisation and also a reduced ability in children to be emotionally and mentally aware of a difference between fantasy and reality.
There was a study done in 2012 at the University of Bern (Switzerland) which concluded the following:
❝Children aged 3 to 8 years old and adults were tested on a reality–fantasy distinction task. They had to judge whether particular entities were real or fantastical, and response times were collected. We further manipulated whether the entity is a specific character or a generic fantastical entity. The results indicate that children, unlike adults, show a tendency to err by judging fantastical entities as real (response bias toward reality). All children were significantly slower when categorizing fantastical stimuli compared with real stimuli.❞
– Corinna S. Martarelli & Fred W. Mast (2013) Is It Real or Is It Fiction? Children's Bias Toward Reality, Journal of Cognition and Development, 14:1, 141-153, DOI: 10.1080/15248372.2011.638685To the best of my knowledge, no later studies contradict these findings. The Brain Development in Children fact sheet (Australian Early Development Census, 2019) outlines the way that synaptic connections change from early childhood through school age and up to adolescence, touching briefly on the way that "toxic stress" can affect brain development negatively.There is - in my mind - no doubt that providing a loving, stable, encouraging, intellectually stimulating and properly parented environment (clear boundaries, non-violent, no mixed messages, no toxic situation of violence or drugs or alcohol) will provide a child with the best environment in which to flourish.This just means that we as adults must be mindful of those things, including not tacitly or explicitly expecting a child to be able to differentiate between fantasy and reality. Age-appropriate games are likely to be stimulating in the best way, but I am worried about the ongoing effect of sexually explicit and violent material that's available to children.Sexualising a child is so very wrong. Because the stuff is out there, readily accessible, parents cannot afford to be parenting in a hands-off way. They've got to be on the ball, aware of all of the apps that kids can use, and not slip into a comfortable "My child would never do that" state of mind. Parenting today is more difficult than ever before, I suspect.I do believe in stimulating children's imaginations in a productive / good way. Reading from a young age is one of the greatest benefits. Never stop a child from reading. Let him or her read widely and richly, with children's books, fantasy, fairy tales, mysteries, adventures, literature, poetry, non-fiction.I vividly - very vividly - recall being a bit of a brat on my... I think it was my sixth birthday (or at any rate, between 6th and 8th). I had requested Barchester Towers as my present, and this was passed on to friends of my parents. Then came the gift-wrapped present, book-shaped, and my heart was beating with excitement. I unwrapped it, and... it was an ABRIDGED version, suitable for children. I stomped my feet and sobbed "I want the WHOLE BOOK, not a baby version." I'm mortified in retrospect; how ungrateful I was! I just cannot remember whether I threw the scene at the party in front of the gift-givers, or whether I saved it up for home. (I hope it was at home.)I am adamantly against restricting children's vocabularies, and I entirely agree with Tolkien on the subject of age-appropriate vocabulary. Pffffft.❝It [The Lord of the Rings] was not written 'for children', or for any kind of person in particular, but for itself. (If any parts or elements in it appear 'childish', it is because I am childish, and like that kind of thing myself now.) I believe children do read it or listen to it eagerly, even quite young ones, and I am very pleased to hear it, though they must fail to understand most of it, and it is in any case stuffed with words that they are unlikely to understand – if by that one means 'recognize as something already known'. I hope it increases their vocabularies.As for plenilune and argent, they are beautiful words before they are understood – I wish I could have the pleasure of meeting them for the first time again! — and how is one to know them till one does meet them? And surely the first meeting should be in a living context, and not in a dictionary, like dried flowers in a hortus siccus!Children are not a class or kind, they are a heterogeneous collection of immature persons, varying, as persons do, in their reach, and in their ability to extend it when stimulated. As soon as you limit your vocabulary to what you suppose to be within their reach, you in fact simply cut off the gifted ones from the chance of extending it.❞