27-09-2014 03:10 AM - edited 27-09-2014 03:11 AM
Question:
Does Islam really allow a man to take up to four wives?
Summary Answer:
Yes, a Muslim man can marry as many as four women, and have sexual relations with an unspecified number of slaves as well. Muhammad had eleven wives at one time.
The Quran:
Quran (4:3) - "Marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess." This verse clearly allows a man to have up to four wives (Allah conveniently granted Muhammad an exception... according to what Muhammad told his followers). According to the Hadith, the "justice" spoken of merely refers to the dowry provided the bride, not the treatment accorded following the wedding.
Quran (4:129) - "Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire" Underscores that a man is not able to treat multiple wives fairly. He would therefore be unable to acquire more than one wife if this were a requirement - which it is not. In fact, Muhammad was not able to treat his own wives fairly (see Additional Notes).
Quran (66:5) - "Maybe, his Lord, if he divorce you, will give him in your place wives better than you, submissive, faithful, obedient, penitent, adorers, fasters, widows and virgins" A disobedient wife can be replaced. A man can only have up to four wives, but he can rotate as many women as he pleases in and out of the lineup.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/017-polygamy.htm
I wonder what women in the 21st century think about this?
on 28-09-2014 03:19 PM
What goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults is none of my business.
No, I do not have the right to force my beliefs, or lifestyle on anyone else.
Who am I to judge anyone for the choices they make in regards to their lifestyle.
But yes, I still have a right to my opinion and will speak up when I see bullying.
Hopefully this will clear up any questions as it is good to be on the same page.
Failure to communicate always seems to have a bad outcome.
Ask Cool Hand Luke.
28-09-2014 03:24 PM - edited 28-09-2014 03:24 PM
@steppefjordwyfe10 wrote:
@4c4sale wrote:
@steppefjordwyfe10 wrote:
@4c4sale wrote:
@steppefjordwyfe10 wrote:Yes, I may have seen it too.
Was it the one with the predatory narcisstic woman? She was always on the look out for someone to help her? Always ended up doing harm to the ones she was involved with, many times intentionally and sometimes unintentionally. It was just how things went in her life, stagnant or down hill, one. I think it was a documentary. I love those.
You may also see these types playing *support* roles in philosphical, religious, educational or moral institutions. (Sometimes marginal in nature and in their standards of accreditation, if any exist.) This puts them in a vantage spot to prey on the vulnerable while seeming to serve, but such types always put their own desires first, and betray this in ways large and small.
Boy does that sound interesting.
I can't stand that when someone "preys on the vulnerable while seeming to serve". I've seen that myself. I know that type. I've encountered it. Really upsetting to me.
And on another note, right, is that correct up there? Astounding.
One of the best ways to validate one's predation is by wrapping it up in high-sounding purpose, whether calling it brave pioneering of new social territory or "freeing" others to do as they please.
I've learned to be wary of such false prophets.
Kind of chilling. I see some things as evil and this kind of stuff reminds me of it, feels like it. I won't go places where I feel it.
Good call!
The religiosity or titular moral standing (minor though it may be, and often self-conferred) of such individuals can blind the vulnerable to the self-serving nature of the attention they may receive.
But of course one can balance common sense with an open nature, so no need to hide from such types, just identify them as one sees them.
Sunlight and all that.
on 28-09-2014 03:31 PM
4c4 wrote:
"...Sunlight and all that."
and a little bleach wouldn't hurt and in my case I'd be carrying a flask of Holy Water, thank you very much.
28-09-2014 03:34 PM - edited 28-09-2014 03:36 PM
@thegoblinswillgetu wrote:What goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults is none of my business.
No, I do not have the right to force my beliefs, or lifestyle on anyone else.
Who am I to judge anyone for the choices they make in regards to their lifestyle.
But yes, I still have a right to my opinion and will speak up when I see bullying.
Hopefully this will clear up any questions as it is good to be on the same page.
Failure to communicate always seems to have a bad outcome.
Ask Cool Hand Luke.
Confusing.
Earlier you said you didn't judge others for being different.
You said no one had the right to judge others, but you now say that you judge others as - among other things - bullies.
Massive contradiction.
Does no one - including yourself - have the right to judge others?
Or do you reserve the right to judge while denying this right to others?
Please clarify this.
Thanks!
on 28-09-2014 04:00 PM
"And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."
I hear this same contention frequently.......about Christianity from born again Christians.
They even include mainstream Christians among "the losers".
on 28-09-2014 04:31 PM
sorry,polks,lol! i won't ask, i think it might be something i should look up instead? 😄
on 28-09-2014 04:37 PM
No, no massive contradiction.
Crystal clear if it is read with an open mind and not with specific intentions.
Judging as in, "you will burn in hell for the lifestyle you live.
Repent!!!!
Judging as in "my choices I made in my life are the right ones"
Repent!!!
Judging as in "I am a better person because of the choices I made compared to the choices you made"
Repent!!!!!
No, I do not have the right to sit in judgement.
Opinions, as in, I have the right to defend someone.
Opinions, as in, if an individual acts like a bully, they are a bully.
Opinions, as in, many posts are cloudy and difficult to understand. In the future, if any individual finds my posts are hard to understand, the option is there to ignore them.
on 28-09-2014 04:40 PM
Sydney Morning Herald, a left of centre newspaper, but has some excellent journalists.
on 28-09-2014 04:47 PM
oh! lol,thank you! i've gotten teased for ..umm..innuendos i didn't mean,in the past. 🙂 thank you!
goblins,my dear friend,i would never ignore you,even if i did disagree with you. you rock!
on 28-09-2014 04:51 PM
@sineaterdoodah wrote:oh! lol,thank you! i've gotten teased for ..umm..innuendos i didn't mean,in the past. 🙂 thank you!
Do you know what an innuendo really is?