Rudd Endorses Gay Marriage

[donnashuggy]

This is a good thing.....right?

Particularly with an election in the near future

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324328204578572972575811406.html?mod=e2tw

[poddster]

duty calls

[donnashuggy]

No, it is completely different, it's about equality.

[poddster]

No, it is completely different, it's about equality.

Donna is that your personal appraisal or has that knowledge been gained first hand?

The only equality that is gained from homosexual marraige is to equate it to another homosexual marriage.

Can you please explain to me and anyone else who may be reading this thread how a marraige certificate  issued to a homosexual couple  makes the more equal and who it makes them equal to?

As individuals they already have equal rights to heterosexual people in the eyes of the law.

Could it be that the drive for homosexual marriage is actually a drive for recognition and acceptance?

[poddster]

This scenario could be a worthwhile experiment to undertake.

Gather up 100 homosexual couples,  200 people in all, who would be willing participants, isolate them on an island with everything they may need to live comfortably and observe how they react  as a community.  Everyone in the group would have the same status and be considered equal.

How long do you imagine it would take before there was a person or group that  would aim for supremacy over the rest of their peers.

Would there be any domination of the male homosexual couples over the female homosexual couples?

How long would it take for the community to realise that unless they produced offspring the community would die out in one generation.

Would some go against their  homosexuality to produce offspring in the interest of survival of the community as a whole?

How would the ones who went against their homosexuality be seen by those who didn’t , would it be accepted or would it cause resentment?

How would it be seen by the partners of the mating couples? Acceptance or rejection?

There are many more questions but this is enough to start with 🙂

[para-sights]

Marriage has nothing to do with reproduction. I don't think any church or civil union cares if the people getting marries produce off spring like cattle. Nothing and no one would be affected by same sex marriage and it's ludicrous to think that it will destroy marriage. As marriage stands any devil worshiper, pedophile, serial killer, drug dealer, wife beater etc etc can get married just as long as it's not to do with love just the opposite sex.

[katydidthat]

Poddster ... a turkey baster is all it takes :^O

I support same sex  marriage ... it doesn't affect me other than to make people I like or love happy.  

[margomeoz]

Pod maybe a lot of gay people both men and women sill long for a normal family, maybe they want to be married so they can have children, there is adoption or IVF.

Why should they be denied a normal family life just because they are the same sex?

[poddster]

Imagine the poor kid in show and tell. i have 2 daddies or i have 2 mummies

Spare the poor kids the angst if people want to be in a homosexual relationship then don't involve a kid in it who has no choice in the matter

[vampire-teddy]

Imagine the poor kid in show and tell. i have 2 daddies or i have 2 mummies

Spare the poor kids the angst if people want to be in a homosexual relationship then don't involve a kid in it who has no choice in the matter

it has already been proven that children born in same sex couples are very well adjusted.  they probably grow up with a more open mind then some for starters.  these days many children have 2 mummies and 2 daddies or 1 mummy or any number of family mixes.

it is a matter of equality imo. to be a citizen of a country you have rights and responsibilities.  why should gay and lesbian people have the same responsibilities and not the same rights.  to me it is certainly a matter of loving someone and  being able to celebrate that relationship through marriage.  my own parents have been married 53 years and i think marriage is important.  gay and lesbian couples are not equal by law because the law of marriage makes us unequal.  if it doesn't affect you then may be the feeling of those it does affect are all that really matters.  likening my desire to marry my wonderful partner of nearly 18 years to wanting to marry a cat is just sad.  our relationships are not treated equally to heterosexual married couples of many levels.  partner of same sex couples have been kept away from the hospital beds of sick or dying loved ones because family deny the relationship.  we have to often fight for property, right to arrange funerals etc because there is not the same level of public recognition of our relationships.  

[vampire-teddy]

No Donna it does not affect me directly, but it affects the whole population indirectly.

For the people it does affect there is nothing stopping then forming a relationship in anyway they choose.

Marriage was born out a need to protect the offspring of a union, In a homosexual relationship there can be no offspring, regardless how often they couple, that need the protection of marriage.

Other legal matters are already covered as far as property is concerned.

I can not see any logical reason for homosexuals to get married to each other.

That is why I asked yuou to build a convincing case 🙂

For the people it does affect there is nothing stopping then forming a relationship in anyway they choose.

except marriage, plus it is harder to prove a de facto relationship

Marriage was born out a need to protect the offspring of a union

actually it was born out of a need to protect property, control women and provide family lineage.  that doesn't change the fact the however it was born, it is what it means to people today.  the majority of heterosexual couples still choose to marry despite the fact that it is no longer required to protect their offspring.  ask most of these couples why they are marrying and they would say for love which is the same reason same sex couples want the same right.