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 I just read this article from Sydney Morning Herald; 

 

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-orders-review-of-safe-school-...

 

An independent review announced on Tuesday will advise Education Minister Simon Birmingham on whether the program's material is "age appropriate" by mid-March. 

The issue dominated discussion in Tuesday's behind-closed-doors meeting of Coalition MPs and senators. 

In the meeting, Liberal senator Cory Bernardi called for the $8 million program to be defunded because he was concerned it was being used to "indoctrinate children into a Marxist agenda of cultural relativism".

 

Senator Bernardi added he believed the program was prematurely sexualising children, saying he was concerned young people were being instructed how to hide their breasts or **bleep**. He told Fairfax Media he had collected 9500 signatures in a petition from "concerned Australians" in less than a week.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-orders-review-of-safe-school-...
 

Does anyone know much about the framework for this programme? I thought this safe schools programme was about eradicating bullying etc.   

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To this end, Ward lauds policies of sexual liberation introduced by the Soviet Union after the 1917 Bolshevik revolution. This included the introduction of “gender neutral language …

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Really?  I find that very hard to believe, never heard of that.  It would be very difficult to achieve in language, in which every item is either  masculine or feminine, just as it is in French.  Even if somebody in 1917 said that, it doesn't mean it was ever taken seriously.  By the way, homophobia is very strongly entrenched in the former Soviet Union.
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Some people need to go to Samoa and see how some boys are raised as girls and it is completely acceptable.

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At Redwood Heights Elementary, Oakland last year a group called Gender Spectrum was employed to teach Children in grade 1 and 2 a programme which contained such concepts as;  you can be a boy or a girl or both or neither..., it's okay for boys to wear fingernail polish, that some dolphins have both boy and girl parts and that clownfish can switch genders, and that same diversity applies to people too... 

 

This programme was also promoted with the anti-bullying slogan...


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/25/gender-diversity-lesson-california-school-riles-critics.html

 

The lessons were presented by an outside anti-bullying educational group called Gender Spectrum, paid for with a $1,500 grant from the California Teachers Union. 

 

Joel Baum, director of education and training for Gender Spectrum, taught the classes.

 

In the kindergarten class he asked the 5- and 6-year-olds to identify if a toy was a "girl toy" or a "boy toy" or both. He also asked which students liked the color pink, prompting many to raise their hands, to which he responded that that boys can like pink, too. 

 

In the fourth-grade class, Baum focused on specific animal species, like sea horses, where the males can have or take care of the children. He suggested that even if someone was born with male “private parts” but identified more with being a girl, that was something to be “accepted” and “respected.” 

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While I applaud any effort to educate people and raise their awareness so that they don't discriminate against individuals and/or groups of people just because of an emotionally based  prejudice, baseless and without any rationale (you gotta be able to defend your rationale before you can credibly be a discriminator), I am aware that govt programmes, school programmes may involve no little cost to apply and administer.

 

Pursuant to this I also wonder just what is the percentage of Australian schoolchildren who are struggling with a sexual orientation crisis of indecision and doubt?

 

I suspect that the proportion is rather low  and I wonder therefore if it is a justifiable use of taxpayer money to spend it on such narrowly focussed issues.

 

It's a rather fine brush with which to paint. and it doesn't quite capture the depth of colour and contrast which might be applied if there was a dedicated school program which taught respect for all people and their private choices and inclinations (so long as those inclinations did not adversely affect the public weal.)

 

 

Surely the money could be better spent on a programme which emphasised respect for other people just because they are people, being worthy of respect to be  free to make their own choices. That sort of freedom is worth teaching about; it need not be a programme with such a narrow focus that it obscures the bigger picture.

 

 

 

We have no such school programmes which teach about the evils of our capitalist economic system and about how this system is systematically destroying our environment and plunging millions of people into abject poverty, while enabling a relative few to rise to obscene levels of wealth and prosperity, do we?

 

We have no such school programmes which examine the teachings of the various religions and subject those teachings to scrutiny about their particular teachings about gender equality or their teachings about how to perceive those who identify themselves as LBGTI (etc) do we?

 

 

We want to focus our attentions and our money on a programme which teaches that it's wrong to discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation, but we still allow and even support the right of  religious institutions to teach this discrimination and condemnation of anyone who falls outside their religious perception of being "normal"  as part of their Doctrine?

 

 

Unless we actively speak out and condemn those religious ideologies which teach misogyny, homophobia and intolerance of the freedom of people to self-identify with respect to their sexual orientation then we are missing a really big part of the argument and neglecting to address a really big part of the problem.

 

 

We don't need remedial school programmes to teach us respect for our fellows so much as we need to put a stop to the active teaching of the cultural attitudes  by the various religions which teach the lessons of intolerance and non-acceptance and actual hate of people who might not find themselves quite able to conform to "doctrine" without suffering some serious pyschological angst.

 

 

 

If we put a stop to those people  actively teaching intolerance, then there might be no need to pour money into making amends for the damage which those teachings cause.

 

It's a bigger problem than it appears to be.

 

 

The safe schools programme is just a bandaid on a severed artery if we refuse to address the societal and cultural reasons why we, as a society are being bled dry of all compassion for our fellows by our churches, our synagogues and our mosques, etc

 

 

 

Don't teach tolerance of difference.

 

Rather . . . Stop the preaching of hate and intolerance of difference. I believe that this is going to be far more effective and cost-efficient in the long term.

 

 

 

 

and this is where I'm possibly going to lose support for my argument:

 

Let's have a national  school programme which teaches our kids that religions  may seek to indoctrinate us with some very dubious and nasty values and that religions (all of them) are not a part of the solution; they are in fact, a major and root cause of the Problem

 

Let's have a dedicated school programme which teaches that.

 

 

It's of no value (apart from lip-service to a cause) to have a national school programme which teaches acceptance of personal choice if we don't address the subversive and undermining contrary messages being taught by those in our society who claim to be religious teachers demanding respect for their opinions not because of what they teach, but because of who they are.

 

 

The safe schools prog is nothing more than damage control if we continue to allow the source of the damage to continue unchallenged and unchecked.

 

 

 

 

Out, damned spot! Out, I say!—One, two. Why, then, ’tis time to do ’t.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@3ksandpj wrote:

 

To this end, Ward lauds policies of sexual liberation introduced by the Soviet Union after the 1917 Bolshevik revolution. This included the introduction of “gender neutral language …

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Really?  I find that very hard to believe, never heard of that.  It would be very difficult to achieve in language, in which every item is either  masculine or feminine, just as it is in French.  Even if somebody in 1917 said that, it doesn't mean it was ever taken seriously.  By the way, homophobia is very strongly entrenched in the former Soviet Union.

I'm not too sure about the homophobia in the Soviet Union, but point taken on your response re: the Bolshevik comment.  The piece I was quoting, was an opinion piece, so perhaps the author may have read or researched something that compelled him to make that statement.

 

Overall, even though it's just opinion, the quotes by Roz Ward are legit (as far as I know) and some of the points raised were very valid, I thought, thats why I shared 🙂 

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Leave our kids alone and stop trying to manipulate young minds about their sexuality. It's appalling that this is being put under the guise of "bullying" in our schools. I don't want my child being taught that he/she can choose their sexuality it's nonsense. 

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@3ksandpj wrote:

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Really?  I find that very hard to believe, never heard of that.  It would be very difficult to achieve in language, in which every item is either  masculine or feminine, just as it is in French.  Even if somebody in 1917 said that, it doesn't mean it was ever taken seriously.  By the way, homophobia is very strongly entrenched in the former Soviet Union.

I'm not too sure about the homophobia in the Soviet Union,

 

 


Public opinion in Russia tends to be among the most hostile toward homosexuality in the world—outside predominantly Muslim countries, just google homophobia in Russia

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Russia

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Everything in life is a choice after birth. Even sexuality.
I was bullied relentlessly in school because I always chose to speak my mind. Girls especially hated that to the point that some would hit me.
All the talking in the world won't stop a bully but I found if you pick up a chair and show a bully that there are consequences for your actions, amazingly the bullying stops. You may have to dish out the lessons to more than one bully but they soon learn.
I found out years later that most kids still called me names but only behind my back.

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So what you are trying to say is that you think religion is to blame for all the intolerance, homophobia etc?...  government schools have all but taken religion off the curriculum. (Even though the first "charity schools" in Australia were Christian schools...) 

 

The religious doctrine is what it is, people of faith should be free to think whatever they like about behaviours which are strongly advised against in their doctrine.  I agree that it's not the job of religious zealots to persecute the LGBTI community, but it's also not the job of the LGBTI community to indoctrinate children and hypersexualize young minds...  

 

Roz Ward made it clear that she strives for a sexual revolution.  Which I dont have a problem with, what I have a problem with is that this ideology is being intertwined with an anti-bullying agenda (which has actually been in place in schools for quite some time now...).  

 

And somehow it's taken over 3 years and nearly 500 schools implementing the programme until someone stands up and says "Hang on a minute, the associates of this "alliance/coalition" are actually promoting some really age inapropriate material..."  It has nothing to do with religious extremism or intolerance, just concern that the click of a link can lead to some really adult sites.  

 

And in trying to promote openmindedness when it comes to gender and sexual issues, there has to be better ways than encouraging kids to "imagine yourself at 16 attracted to someone of the same sex..." and that vaginal virginity isn't the only virginity.  And to go beyond that to have reservations when asking a new parent if the newborn baby is a boy or a girl because its offensive to reference only the 2 genders...  

 

People are people imo, you have to take them as you find them, treat them as you expect to be treated, be kind and non judgemental.    How hard is it really to teach these fundemental social skills to kids?   

 

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@djilukjilly wrote:

Leave our kids alone and stop trying to manipulate young minds about their sexuality. It's appalling that this is being put under the guise of "bullying" in our schools. I don't want my child being taught that he/she can choose their sexuality it's nonsense. 


I think you'll find that what is actually being taught is that we don't choose our sexuality and that it is not OK to arbitrarily impose our own concept ofsexuality onto others.

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