Safe Schools Programme.

 I just read this article from Sydney Morning Herald; 

 

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-orders-review-of-safe-school-...

 

An independent review announced on Tuesday will advise Education Minister Simon Birmingham on whether the program's material is "age appropriate" by mid-March. 

The issue dominated discussion in Tuesday's behind-closed-doors meeting of Coalition MPs and senators. 

In the meeting, Liberal senator Cory Bernardi called for the $8 million program to be defunded because he was concerned it was being used to "indoctrinate children into a Marxist agenda of cultural relativism".

 

Senator Bernardi added he believed the program was prematurely sexualising children, saying he was concerned young people were being instructed how to hide their breasts or **bleep**. He told Fairfax Media he had collected 9500 signatures in a petition from "concerned Australians" in less than a week.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-orders-review-of-safe-school-...
 

Does anyone know much about the framework for this programme? I thought this safe schools programme was about eradicating bullying etc.   

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Well, we now know some things about some cultures which we find challenging to say the least and abhorrent to say the most.

 

Should we just be accepting of the "challenge" we might encounter and strive to deny or even to make apology for any "abhorrence" which we might feel?

 

Not all cultures are equal or deserving of considerations of equality.

 

 

Cultural relativism. . .  If we accept that all cultures are equal (even relatively so) then that leads us down some rather darkened pathways, does it not?

 

 

Maybe there's a deep rooted fundamental reason behind why some particular culture's ideas don't attract more popular support where others' do ?

 

 

You want a safe school?

 

 

teach the basics of reading, writing and arithmetic and teach the lessons about the equality of all peoples no matter what their sex, their age or their religion.

 

 

Teach people to think for themselves. Step back with all your money and with all your religion, hoping to produce  easily led little pawns in your cynical game.

 

 

 

When I was a kid a safe school to me meant one where the older children didn't harrass and bully the younger ones nor trip them up when they walked to their lessons.

 

A safety bonus would have been if my teacher didn't lean heavily on my shoulder digging his fingers in while asking me some obscure question which I couldn't answer because i was distracted by the pain.

 

A safe school is one where children can attend in safety, and will be taught the bascis of that which is required to survive and even to prosper in our modern day civilisation.

 

Multiculturalism.

 

 

but what if some cultural ideas require that women are not to be considered as the equals to men? Is that acceptable?

 

 

What sort of cultural identity do we ultimately aspire to?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Debra; Yes as far as I know it's not compulsory for schools to take part... yet...

 

Johncaschro; Thanks for your thoughts on this (and some other related) topic/s.

 

Cultural relativism. . .  If we accept that all cultures are equal (even relatively so) then that leads us down some rather darkened pathways, does it not?

 

Such a relevent question.  Rhetorical yet easy to answer in the literal sense. The answer has to be yes.  

 

And I agree with the remainder of your post, but I would argue that multiculturalism is just an ideal at this point.  Like any political ideology it can seem rightous and fair in theory ie; Marxist socialism but in reality, all it really does is divide the people.  

 

And as Australians we are encouraged to be accepting and tolerant of other cultures, and at the same time have no pride in our own (western) culture only guilt and shame.  I've argued with peeps on here about Australian culture or lack thereof.  So if we cant say Australian culture then it has to be western culture that we should be embracing and encouraging every single person that moves here to do the same. 

 

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
"We were told that multiculturalism would enrichen the tapestry of the Australian way of life but it didn't turn out that way."

A WASP might see it that way,but a lot of us don't.

Sorry what is a WASP?

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WASP: White anglo saxon protestant.

 

Now if you are white and aad a christian you are now denigrated by the progressives who are mainly WASPS themselves.

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I'm a WASA. The road to true enlightenment is paved with the corpses of all believers no matter the denomination
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@djilukjilly wrote:

WASP: White anglo saxon protestant.

 

Now if you are white and aad a christian you are now denigrated by the progressives who are mainly WASPS themselves.


Oh right... Thanks for that.  

 

Back to the topic though, I dont think there would be an issue if the safe schools framework didn't cover  topics like binding oneself to hide sex organs. I wonder how teaching kids this stuff will make the school safer? 

 

 

 

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@village_person wrote:

@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
"We were told that multiculturalism would enrichen the tapestry of the Australian way of life but it didn't turn out that way."

A WASP might see it that way,but a lot of us don't.

So you enjoy FGM and female subjugation to name but two episodes of enlightenment.


What has that got to do with safe schools, the topic?

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There needs to be an enquire into this policy. I don't want my children forced to attend classes on transgendered and homosexuality as the norm, it isn't and never will be.

 

It has nothing to do with bullying this is just a back door way for other subjects. No we don't want "different" children bullied but we don't want bullying of "normal" children either and that's where the majority of bullying happens.

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Children of all ages can be taught to accept others, no matter how different.

There is no need to go into details about transgender or homosexuality. There are a lot of children with physical or mental disabilities, but that does not give other children the right to bully them or exclude them from some activities.

Children can be taught to be compassionate and understanding, to count their lucky stars if they were born healthy and (what we call) normal.

 

Most of a childs prejudice towards others comes from home. School can teach them to think for themself and form their own opinion. Some may find that those different children can make the best of friends.

 

Erica

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Most of a childs prejudice towards others comes from home.

 

Yes, yes, yes, Agree completely.

 

DEB

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@lind9650 wrote:

 

 

Most of a childs prejudice towards others comes from home. School can teach them to think for themself and form their own opinion. Some may find that those different children can make the best of friends.

 

Erica


I think that may have once been the case Erica, but I fear that it has changed alot even the the last decade.  From the school work I see, it's more about teaching kids what to think not how to think critically.  Most kids will just go with the "popular" opinion on most issues because it keeps them from standing out.

 

It's a difficult topic imo, because it is important for kids to be aware that singling out a person for being "different" is not on, but what if a child was to come home from high school and say "Theres a guy at school who dresses in girls clothing and acts like a girl, and claims to be a lesbian, ew..." I know thats an extreme example, but would it be considered homophobic these days to even think such things? Should parents have to repremand a child for thinking such things? 

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