on 27-08-2014 11:32 AM
Principals would get access to students' criminal histories and have the power to ban people from school grounds under proposed new Queensland laws.
"Disruptive or hostile people make it harder for principals and teachers to do their jobs," Mr Langbroek said in the statement.
Under the changes, he said, "principals and teachers will be able to focus on their core business of educating students".
The proposed legislation would also enable regional directors to prosecute parents for "failing to comply with compulsory attendance requirements", he said.
Students with criminal records?
on 27-08-2014 10:38 PM
@karliandjacko wrote:Yes, I realize not all situations are the same and there is no one size fits all answer and no I don't think charging parents is the answer either.
I don't know what the answer is but I'd have to keep searching for something that worked.
I would also search for an answer. Sometimes though the answer remains with the child.
There is an age when the child can make their own decision and take responsibility for their own actions at school.
I was caring for a teenage girl, and I was at my wits end trying to keep this girl at school. I would get letter after letter, and spent more time at the school than any parent wants to. Then she reached the age (possibly 16 maybe 15) and told the school that she would be responsible for herself and no letters were to be sent home to me. She was told that after a certain amount of misses the school would no longer have her there because from that age they were no longer obliged to keep her. The rest is history really.
I had contacted her mother who lived interstate. The mother changed states in the hope that the girl would return to school.
The girl did not return to school.
She put such a strain on my girl and my relationship for awhile, and there was a time I struggled to keep my girl there also.
One morning I rang the police station and asked if someone would come and have a chat to my girl. She was just a tad surprised that I would do that,
The police officer gave her a talk on how many kids don't have the nice environment and opportunities that she had, and that instead of listening to wrong information she should really think about what she would be doing to herself. Then one of them said, so does your mum take you to school now, or would you like a lift with us. Oh and we take you as you are.
You have never seen a kid ready for school so quickly
on 27-08-2014 10:41 PM
@icyfroth wrote:Principals would get access to students' criminal histories and have the power to ban people from school grounds under proposed new Queensland laws.
"Disruptive or hostile people make it harder for principals and teachers to do their jobs," Mr Langbroek said in the statement.
Under the changes, he said, "principals and teachers will be able to focus on their core business of educating students".
The proposed legislation would also enable regional directors to prosecute parents for "failing to comply with compulsory attendance requirements", he said.
Students with criminal records?
The only reason such things happen is because in the 1980s they got rid of beltings, in those days teachers had authority to give misbehaving kids the strap. They should bring it back!
on 27-08-2014 10:48 PM
If parents want their child to attend school and do everything they can to make them attend, work with the school and/or truancy officers, that is different than parents who turn a blind eye to their child not going to school, let them stay home if they want to for no reason (not sick etc).
I think that is who these changes are aimed at... those parents who just don't care. The kids don't live in functional homes.
on 27-08-2014 11:02 PM
@am*3 wrote:If parents want their child to attend school and do everything they can to make them attend, work with the school and/or truancy officers, that is different than parents who turn a blind eye to their child not going to school, let them stay home if they want to for no reason (not sick etc).
I think that is who these changes are aimed at... those parents who just don't care. The kids don't live in functional homes.
Absolutely, however what is the criteria and who decides what parents are charged and what parents are not. This what I meant by different strokes for different folks.
There will be those who really put their all in and some who put nothing in. There will also be a range in between. What would be the didn't try hard enough cut of point I wonder.
I agree with complacent/couldn't give a rats parents being charged with neglect.
I only see what goes on here of course, and on the grand scheme of things, I would say most of our little gems do go to school.
on 28-08-2014 05:36 AM
on 28-08-2014 08:02 AM
@icyfroth wrote:Principals would get access to students' criminal histories and have the power to ban people from school grounds under proposed new Queensland laws.
"Disruptive or hostile people make it harder for principals and teachers to do their jobs," Mr Langbroek said in the statement.
Under the changes, he said, "principals and teachers will be able to focus on their core business of educating students".
The proposed legislation would also enable regional directors to prosecute parents for "failing to comply with compulsory attendance requirements", he said.
Students with criminal records?
. I suppose there could be a student with a criminal record. Remember, there are kids up to 18yo who attend school.
From day 1 of school, any disruption of attendance and the reasons for that disruption would go on the child's records. There would be acknowledgement of intervention by police, community services, etc.
In regard to hostile people on the premises/grounds, surely you wouldn't write a letter to them and give them 3 days notice. I would call the police. They are trespassing and could be, in fact, endangering the lives of all school personnel.
Disruptive parents (I assume a father confronts a teacher in a classroom without first getting permission to attend the room) are also trespassing.
Community Services (Delinquency Officers?) would become involved before educational regional directors would prosecute, surely.
DEB
on 28-08-2014 08:31 AM
So we have a parent who hated school (for some reason or other). They may be disinclined to force their own child to attend.
It is encouragement and enthusiasm from a parent from Day 1 (and before) to attend school. No tangible rewards.
And it is from Day 1 that the parameters are set. If a child does not want to attend there is a reason. Bullying, etc? With that ruled out, if the child stays home (and not genuinely sick) they don't get "rewarded" by having the use of electronic games, TV, etc. They have to stay in bed all day. Boring. Boring.
The same of a teenager. Penalize them. No pocket money. No credit for phone, etc. Make it boring.
But it is up to the parent.
And a parent who doesn't enforce rules or abides by them him/herself, wont care about the rules of Community Service and a possible prosecution. And can go on to blame the child for his/her getting into "trouble" with the authorities - with some not so good outcomes. Then the cycle goes around once again.
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Please everyone, accept that these are my observations and generalizations. Not directed to anyone in particular or their circumstances.
DEB
DEB