Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

[daydream**believer]

Brilliant.

Whether people support halal certification or not, there are lots of people with lots of concerns so its time to investigate it all.

http://www.3aw.com.au/news/bernardis-inquiry-into-food-certification-schemes-20150514-gh1c32.html

Here are the reasons i am against halal certification and the questions i want answered.
1. Why are the fees paid by businesses for halal certification kept secret? Why do the businesss have to sign non disclosure agreements?

2. Why are there 20+ privately run halal certification companies in Australia, all charging whatever amounts they want, when Indonesia only has 1 Government run halal certifier? If foods need to be halal certified, then let the Government run it and let the money go back into the whole Australian community.

3. For meat to be halal, the animal needs to be slaughtered a certain way, throat slit while animal is conscious by a Muslim. Yes, there are some abattoirs that use a reverse stun but, from what i have researched, there are at least 15 abattoirs in Australia that slaughter animals using no stun. It is barbaric. This video is very graphic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAQJ-FZo1cA

4. Australia is a predominantly Christian country, so why are we being forced to eat meat that has been prayed over to a "god" that we dont even recognise?

5. If halal certification is supposed to help Muslims recognise what they can and cant eat, then why do so many companies that pay for the certification stamp choose not to display it on their products?

6. Why are abattoirs paying a certification fee and then packing all the meat in one truck and delivering it to butchers and supermarkets who then put it all in the one fridge and display it all in the one display fridge. Once pork products are shelved, stored or transported with other meats, the other meats immediately become non halal anyway. So Aussie Muslims cant eat it anyway.

7. We are told halal certification monies goes towards to building of more mosques and Islamic schools. We know that there are quite a few mosques where the hatred of Australia is preached. As for Islamic schools, the same schools where a principal has said that girls are forbidden to run in races because it will cause them to lose their virginity. Do we need schools like that here?

8. In Canada halal certification money was found to be used to fund organisations linked to extremist organisations. I have no doubt that would be happening here as well.

9. Halal is a part of sharia law and we DO NOT want any part of Sharia law in Australia.

So, what would i like to see? Id like halal certification to be a Government run organisation. Id like every business who pays for halal certification to have to display the stamp on their products. I want all Australian abattoirs to stun before killing. That would be a nice start

[azureline**]

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@daydream**believer wrote:

just curious grizz, do you slaughter pigs at your work?

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Pigs are usually killed at a specific abattoir......they need different equipment, different yards, different everything, they stress very easily. I doubt there is one that does both.

[*mrgrizz*]

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@*mrgrizz* wrote:

i would be more concerned about the cost involved with complying with Coles and Woolworths stardards and auditing than HALAL

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this is becoming a huge cost. far more than HALAL certification. and is getting worse.

HALAL actually makes domestic meat cheaper

[raptor_rebooted]

SBS does not have an anti-muslim agenda.

then why call it senate enquiry into halal 

certification?

[azureline**]

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@azureline** wrote:

what was the edit in post 5?

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So, you are celebrating the inquiry but you don't think it will make any difference?

[janeababe]

Probably a good thing you didnt grow up on a farm, where you ate the animals you raised. My grandfather had a piggery. I often joined dad to go and *kill a pig* for the weeks meat. No stun gun was used; A very quick slit across the throat with a very sharp blade was all that was needed,  and I can still see it clearly in my memories, it was a quick death.

..... not to mention the lambs, and chickens which also found its way onto the dinner table.


Personally, HALAL Certification doesnt bother me. If someone wants to pray over meat during the slaughter process, is not too different in my views as saying grace before eating a meal. It wont change the food in any way!

I know nothing about the costs of halal, where the money goes, nothing about non-disclosure documents, but i do know how dangerous scare mongering can be!

I hope you get the answers you are looking for out of these inquiries...... 

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

SBS does not have an anti-muslim agenda.

then why call it senate enquiry into halal 

certification?

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I agree it is deceptive and misleading, and people reading it on the SBS  website (assuming they have one and it was posted there) would be entitled to point that out to them - just as we are entitled to point out that posting the same words here as a thread title is also deceptive and misleading. The only real difference I can see is that the author of the SBS article did not use it as an excuse to harangue their readers on the evils of  Halal registration.

[raptor_rebooted]

Probably a good thing you didnt grow up on a farm

its a good thing then that meat from

home/farm killed animals in not allowed to be

sold commercially.  

[janeababe]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

Probably a good thing you didnt grow up on a farm

its a good thing then that meat from

home/farm killed animals in not allowed to be

sold commercially.  

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why?

What do you think is sold at farmers markets?

We still have our home killed meat.(son-in-law's farm) And i tell you this much, once you have eaten a home grown T Bone steak, you would NEVER again waste your hard earned money on a steak from Coles or Woolies!

[bluecat*dancing]

I don't know why. They do not then go on to espouse anti muslim sentiments like the anti-hala brigade do.

If you do not agree with halal certified food, then, don't buy it, don't eat it. there are plenty of alternatives.

The stunning of animals does not always work, either.

I wish that I could become a vegetarian.

[raptor_rebooted]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

SBS does not have an anti-muslim agenda.

then why call it senate enquiry into halal 

certification?

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I agree it is deceptive and misleading, and people reading it on the SBS  website (assuming they have one and it was posted there) would be entitled to point that out to them - just as we are entitled to point out that posting the same words here as a thread title is also deceptive and misleading. The only real difference I can see is that the author of the SBS article did not use it as an excuse to harangue their readers on the evils of  Halal registration.

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but it did put some doubt on the halal cert

issue

"No one has been able to explain all the groups involved in the certification racket and where the money paid actually ends up."